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Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« on: August 22, 2007, 21:14:03 pm »
My LO is 19 months old and has never been a fabulous napper.   We switched to one nap around 17 months and all was fine.  Then we moved and everything went wonky and some props krept in.  I did wi/wo with him and things got much better in terms of his falling asleep, but he was napping either just 35 minutes or 2 hours and 20 minutes. 

I finally thought I had it figured out that he needed to go down after 4 hours and 45 minutes of wake time in order to get a long nap (takes him 10+ minutes to fall asleep, so 5 hours of A time); any later and it was a 35 minute nap.  Then I was gone for the weekend and DH put him down waaaaay later (after 6+ hours of A time) and he took fabulous long naps.  I'm so confused.  I've been sticking with the 5 hours of A time, however. 

The last few days, however, things have taken a new turn.  Our winddown is books then cuddles and songs and then into the crib.  He's big enough now that he hops off my lap to pick out each book.  Now after the last book, he hops down and won't come back up for songs and cuddles.  So I've been starting to sing and eventually he comes up to my lap.  Today he wouldn't come up to my lap at all.  When I turned on his white noise CD he tried to attack the book shelves that the CD player is on.   He was throwing backs around the room and banging them into the crib and if I tried to pick him up he thrashed and fought wildly.  After I finished or normal songs, I put him in the crib which led to a huge tantrum--throwing himself around in there like a WWE wrestler--and wi/wo.  He's finally calm now after about 15 minutes and is just fussing and complaining to himself, but still not asleep. 

I feel so absurd writing this.  He sounds like an out of control wild child.   :-[ :-[ :-[

Any suggestions on how to modify his wind down routine or how to handle it when he goes nuts like this? 

Any suggestions on A time?  Does it seem like maybe I should experiment with more A time?  It's definitely lopsided right now, but he's always been able to handle more A time before bed.   It's been a few weeks since I reached my 5 hours of A time conclusion--then he was turning into an over tired disaster who wouldn't even eat lunch if I kept him up any later . . . maybe he's changed in the past few weeks?  Could the tantrum be because he just isn't tired yet so he doesn't want to take a nap?

Here's our routine:

8:00am wake up
1:00-? nap (often 2 hours 20 minutes)
9:00pm bed time

His wake time does vary a bit and so I vary the start time for his nap based on that, but keep bed time as constant. 

It's been 30 minutes now since I  put him down and now he's starting to holler again.  Better go do more wi/wo. 

Sorry, I'm just feeling a bit pathetic.   :'(

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 21:16:47 pm »
Awww don't be so hard on yourself. My DS sometimes does this, and I just now accept he is asserting his own little personality, "hey its way more fun being up than in bed". He did it really badly for a while but it just got better on its own.

Not much advice there, sorry, I just rode it out! Maybe someone else will have some

And again, don't be hard on yourself, my DS looks like a thrash metal rocker when he is tantruming

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 00:01:03 am »
Thanks Emma! 

He finally fell asleep after nearly an hour and slept about 90 minutes.  I'm feeling less pathetic now than I was when I wrote the post.  His naps have been mysterious to me for a bit now and today was so crazy I found it distressing. 

I realize now I should probably have gotten down on the floor with him when he started tantruming rather than just staying in the rocker and hoping he'd come to me. 

I'm thinking I should probably try adjusting his A time.  It's tough because at this age he doesn't really show tired signs until he gets overly tired, so it's a bit of a guessing game. 

Oh well, deep breath and tackle tomorrow when it comes.   :D 

Bethany

PS Any further advice and wisdom from anyone would be wonderful! 

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 00:09:20 am »
Bethany, I know naps can be frustrating!  My DS is 20 months and also having nap issues, mostly b/c we recently weaned the paci. :-\  More days than not, he isn't napping right now...

Is there any way to keep your DS in the chair with you, maybe pick out all the books at the beginning of wind down?  That way it is one continuous motion and then to bed?  Just a thought...

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 05:53:26 am »
Is there any way to keep your DS in the chair with you, maybe pick out all the books at the beginning of wind down?  That way it is one continuous motion and then to bed?  Just a thought...

Kris,

This idea looks fabulous in print  ;).   I was skeptical, but went ahead and tried it . . .shouldn't shoot down ideas I haven't tried . . . he didn't go for it.  We picked out books, but as soon as we finished the first one, he hopped down to grap another one and wouldn't even consider the ones in our pre-selected stack.   ::)  The only way for me to keep him in the chair would be by force, which I could do, but it wouldn't be very relaxing, LOL.  I appreciate the idea though as I'm rather out of them here.   :'(

At bed time tonight, he tried something similar.  I got him to come to my lap tonight, however, by asking him for a hug.  He came to me, hugged me and I started singing.  He released the hug mid-song and I asked for another, by then he was starting to relax and he just snuggled into me, went into the crib relaxed and then settled to bed pretty quickly.  Will try that with naps tomorrow, but am afraid he may start to see through this rather quickly.   :-\

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 06:49:52 am »
Hey--just wanted to let you ladies know that I've resolved this (for now at least).  I give him the option of getting in the crib immediately or sitting on my lap and singing.  He prefers to stall so he sits on my lap. 

I also think the day of the melt down it was really because he wasn't tired.  He'd slept in that morning and even though I put him down after the same amount of A time as normal, I think he just wasn't tired enough with the extra night sleep.  So, I don't let him sleep past 8:00 am now and then if he tries to run around I tell him it's time to get in the crib or sist on my lap--which gets him on my lap. 

Thanks for the encouragement during my, erm, I mean his melt down.   8)

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2007, 07:43:03 am »
I'm  really struggling with the timing.  It seems to have something to do with his total night sleep the previous night.  His wake time had been varying a bit, so I've been waking him now at 8:00 am so that variable is stabilized, but how long he takes to fall asleep and how long he sleeps is still varying wildly. 

He's never been a very predictible napper, so I'm trying to relax.  Now that he (generally) falls asleep well independently it seem to even out in the long run.  Today I put himd down at 5 hours of A time and he partied cheerfully in the crib for an hour and 20 minutes before  falling asleep.   :o So, yeah, I'm thinking tomorrow I'll try 5 hours and 15 minutes.  It's so hard because sometimes his partying is actually OT.   He's a mystery, LOL.     

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2007, 17:21:48 pm »
Okay, I have this weird fear about waking him from naps.  :-[ His wake times are very precise--35 minutes or 75 minutes if overtired; 90 minutes or 2 hours and 20 minutes if well-rested.  To the minute.  So I feel like those times correlate to his sleep cycles and I worry that waking him is going to interrupt a sleep cycle and make him crabby or something like that.  You know, like the difference between waking naturally and being awakened by an alarm.  Is that totally silly?  Do you notice any difference if you wake your DS from a nap rather than letting him wake naturally?

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2007, 18:45:19 pm »
Bethany, I have found that most of the time I wake David, he is actually in a better mood than when he wakes (that's MOST of the time.)  If he wakes himself, it's usually early due to overtiredness and therefore is cranky.  

I understand your fear of waking though.  I used to have it a bit myself and if I ever tell someone I have to go wake up David, I always get a "why would you want to do that?!?!"  

That's us though, I prefer to wake him...  :)
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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2007, 00:14:56 am »
if I ever tell someone I have to go wake up David, I always get a "why would you want to do that?!?!"  

LOL Isn't it funny to talk to a non-BW mom about baby sleep?  It's like we don't even live in the same world, LOL.  I'm so glad I live in this one.   :D

Thanks so much for the input.  I'll keep tweaking.  :D

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Re: Nap Winddown=tantrum & confused about nap timing
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2007, 01:13:52 am »
if I ever tell someone I have to go wake up David, I always get a "why would you want to do that?!?!"  

LOL Isn't it funny to talk to a non-BW mom about baby sleep?  It's like we don't even live in the same world, LOL.  I'm so glad I live in this one.   :D

Thanks so much for the input.  I'll keep tweaking.  :D

 ;D ;D ;D  Also glad I am living in the BWing world!  Good luck with the tweaking!
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