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2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« on: April 10, 2008, 05:20:37 am »
My daughter has had sleep issues since the day she was born.  I didn’t have her on a schedule until she was ~6 mos old & even then, her days were never consistent due to me being unable to get her to fall asleep at scheduled times throughout the day. 
I am currently expecting a second child in less than 2 mos & have become quite desperate in finding a solution to my daughter’s lack of sleep time.  Here is her schedule:

Wake:        anywhere from 5am-7am(very rare)
Breakfast:   7:30am
Snack:        9:30am
Lunch:        11am
Nap:           1pm to 2or3pm
Snack:        3pm
Dinner:        6:30pm
Bath:          7:30pm
In Bed:        8:45pm
Asleep:        9:15-9:45pm

Lately she has been waking at roughly 12, 2 & 4am – sometimes staying awake from 2am till 4 or 5am.  On these nights, she will sometimes go to back to sleep & wake at 7am.  On bad nights, if I stay in the room, she will fall asleep & occasionally wake up to make sure I am still there.  If I leave to go back to bed once she is asleep, she is awake & screaming in a matter of minutes.  I have read that this should not be considered separation anxiety as she is too old – but I can’t think of anything else it could be…
I have tried to make her bedtime earlier, but each time I do try, she just wakes earlier.  When I was able to get her to fall asleep at 8pm, she was wide awake at 3:30am.  I tried until 7am to get her back to sleep with no success, just an irate daughter.
Up until she turned 20 mos, she had always been either nursed or rocked to sleep.  For the last 4 mos, I will read her a few books, sing her a few lullabies, and then lay her in her crib sleepy but awake.  Sometimes she goes right to sleep, other times she cries for 10 mins to 30 mins in an effort to get me to pick her up & rock her or rub her feet.  She has never fallen asleep without me in the room with her.  I have tried to move gradually to the door, but when she notices that my chair is farther away, she screams & is inconsolable, pointing to where she is used to seeing my chair. 
When she wakes at night, I don’t go right in if she is fussing.  She NEVER puts herself back to sleep – her cries just get louder & more insistent.   On good nights, when I go into her room, she usually settles pretty quickly & then spends about 30 mins making sure I am still there (by needing verbal reassurance or she will sit up to look at me).  Then I can make my way back to my own bed where I wait for the next wake-up.
I know that I have incorporated tons of accidental parenting throughout the last two years, but is it possible that this baby doesn’t need more sleep?  Could she be perpetually overtired, & just grown used to it?  Is it possible to get her to sleep longer considering how out of control I have let this become?
Thanks for reading – any advice or recommendations would be welcome :)

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Re: 2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 05:50:58 am »
Hi, welcome!

That is tricky, I'd guess you are right she needs more sleep and is overtired, but that's based a bit on my DD who sleeps a lot.  What is her mood like during the day? Is she grumpy, fussy or easily irritated? Does she start to 'lose the plot' by bath time?

Regardless of how much sleep she needs, I reckon the methods of soothing to sleep are important to look at.  How long do you try a new method?  You mention that she notices you have moved your chair and is very upset.  I'd suggest whatever method you use, like gradually removing yourself from the room needs to be done over a long time (eg. a week for each modification) so that she doesn't feel you are trying to leave her.  If you move your chair on day 1 and she cracks it, you have to be absolutely constant and don't move it back.  If she cries for a half hour (or longer), remember that at least you are in the room and not leaving her, and that she is crying to get what she wants.  Try and stay calm and remember that she's crying to get what she wants, not necessarily that she is scared etc.  I think she is old enough for an approach like that. 
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Re: 2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 19:55:13 pm »
Hi I agree with PP, at her age she is smart enough to play you at night , so your approach to gw does have to be very slow.  It may take you a 2-3months to get right out of her room but it can be done.

Shes not too old for SA but she won't only have it at night when they have SA it notices throughout the day.

i think before you can do anything about her routine you need to get her sleeping independantly, when she is sleeping independantly her nws will most likely stop completly and then her wake up will likely improve as a result.

Total consistancy is required to get her sleeping independantly.  I have gone through 4/5 seperate times during DD life when it took anything from 1.5hrs - 3hrs to get her to sleep at night so I know its tuff going coping with that for every bedtime every day.  top tip is to where ear plugs, it doesn't stop the noise completly but levels it out to a dull roar!


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Re: 2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 20:17:44 pm »
9 hours is WAY below the amount of sleep that she should be getting !

I would try to bring the routine forward very gently and very slowly (say by 10 min progressively).

First, I would get rid of the snack at 3 pm so that you can have dinner earlier then bath max 30 min then PJ/teeth/potty/books, etc another 30 min with the aim of being in bed by 7 pm or 8 pm. Try to keep the afternoon/evening as low-key as possible (colouring, books, crafts) so that she has a chance to unwind before bedtime. 

In the long term you should find out that an earlier bedtime should lead to better quality sleep and longer sleep.




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Re: 2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 21:13:13 pm »
She has shown daytime SA, & it progressively gets worse as the day goes on.  Even DH is rarely able to distract her in the evening while I am making dinner, cleaning kitchen, etc. 
Our ofternoons aren't usually very quiet - that is a good suggestion & hopefully I'll be able to keep her calm.  She is a spirited baby & it is hard to keep things mellow:)

Thank you all for your advice...I will be working on getting DD to sleep independently starting tonight.  Wish me luck!



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Re: 2-yr old who sleeps 9 hrs MAX per day
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 10:21:59 am »
good luck!   :D
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 13:03:02 pm »
Good luck :-)