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please help- verge of nervous breakdown!
« on: October 04, 2008, 14:36:18 pm »
I have 2 kids - DS is 26 1/2 months, DD is 11 weeks. I am having sleep issues with both.
DS - has been waking earlier than normal. He has always been an early waker (between 6-7), but lately has been waking around 5 and will not go back to sleep. His nap is also an issue. He is not napping more than 1 hr. I have tried wi/wo with him in both instances and it doesn't work. He just ends up screaming his head off and banging on the door, which wakes up DD who is next door. I have tried cuddling with him for a few minutes, but usually won't even go back in his bed to cuddle. His bedtime used to be 8, but I've pushed it back to 7. His nap used to be 11:30-12, but I've pushed it to 12:30-1. Problem is, he is so tired, if we go anywhere in the morning, even as early as 9, he will fall asleep in the vehicle or in the stroller if we go for a walk. Obviously he needs more sleep, but I just don't know what else to do. I am so tired of battling with him!
DD - is also not a great sleeper. We have been using a 3hr easy routine, but as you will see it is so warped! The nighttimes are good - if she eats decently all day(you'll see what I mean in a minute). If she has good feeds all day she will only be up once or twice - a 6hr sleep shift, then 4hr shift.  If she doesn't eat good, then she is up every 3 hrs in the night. My main problem with her is during the day. She is not eating great or sleeping hardly at all. It is better in the am, but gets worse as the day goes on. She will only eat for a few minutes on one side (sometimes draining it, sometimes not) then will pull off. She will not go back on, she screams her head off. I have tried burping her, waiting a bit (up to 1/2 even), different positions, etc. nothing works. So after trying to get her to eat for about 45 min, I give up. Then I get her ready for a sleep after she has been awake for about 1hr 15min- 1hr 1/2. In the am she falls asleep easily. However, 20 min later she is awake. i've tried leaving her for a few minutes, but she does not go back to sleep on her own. I've tried shush pat and her soother. This sort of works for her first nap as she is so tired, she will start to fall asleep. But I basically have to stand there holding the soother in, as if it falls out she wakes up. Regardless, if she does fall back asleep, she wakes again in about 10 min. So I end up either standing in her room for the entire time she is supposed to be sleeping or I take her out and hold her on the couch - which is what I have been doing more so in the last couple of days just to get her to sleep. As the day goes on, she eats worse and worse (she will eat good after she has had a decent nap, which is rare) and sleeps less and less. By 10, the only way I can get her to fall asleep is by holding her in her fave position, cradling her facing down and slightly bouncing her. But usually if I put her down in her crib or swing or bouncy chair, she will wake up and not go back to sleep. She cries lots, when I try and get her to eat or sleep. The only time she is content during Activity time is in the morning, after that she will not hang out without being held. If I lay her on her play gym, or put her in her swing or bouncy chair she cries. How can I keep up with any kind of routine, when she only sleeps for 20 min and then isn't ready to eat again. She isn't ready for that much Activity time - she needs to sleep. Any ideas on how to adjust the E.A.S or can I??
She eats at 6:30/7pm, fights to fall asleep in our arms for about 1/2 hr (crying), while one of us put DS to bed. Then she eats at about 8:30/9 and is put in her crib for bed. Majority of the time she will sleep until about 2ish, feed again, then sleep until 6ish, go back to sleep until about 7:30/8. But, lately she has been waking up an extra time to feed (around 12) and not going back to sleep once up at 6, most likely because DS has been awake and I have to feed her in the living room where he is onstead of in my dark quiet room. I don't do the dream feed, as the second she is in bed so am I!!
I have been battling issues with her since she was 2wks old. She had thrush for about a month, we just couldn't get rid of it. But I took her to the dr a couple of weeks ago and he says she is fine.
I feel like I am trapped in my house spending my entire day (and night) getting my kids to sleep. I am literally exhausted. My husband is here to help out in the evenings for 2 hrs before bed, but I have no family around to help out. I feel like both kids are so overtired. My poor son spends most of the day watching TV right now as I have been focusing on getting DD to sleep all day. I end up breaking down at least once a day. I need some help! Does anyone have any advice for me to try?? Please!

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Re: please help- verge of nervous breakdown!
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 16:58:29 pm »
I just wanted to tell you that I truly feel for you and hope it all works itself out soon!!!  I remember feeling the same way for the first 4 months of my son's life (he's 7 months now and only has been a great sleeper for about a month or so now).  If I could do it over again, I would try to remember that babies do go through phases of sleeping well/not well, etc.  I didn't follow the Baby Whisperer from the beginning like everyone else on the board, but maybe don't worry so much about the timing of your routine right now...if your daughter sleeps 30 minutes, leave her to cry for 5 and see if she can put herself back to sleep (although she seems very young still)..if not, maybe get her up and start your routine (not a schedule) ie:  nursing, play and after another 1 to 1 1/2 hours, try to put her down again.  I'm convinced my son played off of my stress levels when I was spending all day anxious and frustrated about his sleeping..I too remember feeling like all I do is put him to sleep!  Go with it for a week or so and see if it becomes easier (ie:  don't fight it too hard right now).  I could be totally off on this idea, but it did work for my little guy.  As for your older son, maybe he is having a hard time napping b/c he is infront of the television all the time. (as you mentioned)...maybe adding some activity into his day will tucker him out...and maybe change up your naptime routine for him that includes more downtime in his room?  Just an idea.
Good luck with everything!

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Re: please help- verge of nervous breakdown!
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 17:46:26 pm »
Sherip, hang in there!  Always tell yourself: "It's just a phase"--you can get through it.  *hugs*

FWIW, I was exactly where you are a couple month ago.  11 weeks is leading up to the tricky 4 month period with growth spurts, etc...but it also means you may be able to transition to a 3.5 hour or even 4 hour easy routine. 

I would definitely check out the Breastfeeding forum, they are so awesome there and will have great advice for getting more into your LO.  As for the short afternoon naps, it sounds like she is probably OT.  I went through something similar with Noah, and it turned out he was just overhungry, leading to not sleeping comfortably, leading to OT.

Again, check out the BF boards, and I know there are a few threads under FAQ about positions and troubleshooting. 

HTH, and don't worry, you are completely normal, everything will be okay, and it WILL get better!  HUGE hugs to you!
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Re: please help- verge of nervous breakdown!
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 18:21:25 pm »
I don't have any advice, I'm afraid, as I am in almost exactly the same situation - dd1 is 23 months and dd2 is nearly 7 weeks.  We start most days okay with a reasonable morning nap, but it tends to go downhill from there with a couple of hours screaming in the middle of the day because of o/t.  dd1 has now started waking up earlier in the morning (any time from 5.45) and is pretty tired during the day too.

One of the problems we had with dd2 is that she has reflux - she was diagnosed at 4 weeks because she was screaming all day (by which I mean for up to 7 hours a day!) which was affecting her naps (too o/t to sleep) and feeding because she was too tired to eat properly.  Has your doc ruled that out for your lo?  Other symptoms which led to the diagnosis were that she was arching back when she was screaming, and very sicky (particularly about 1 hour after eating).

Hope it gets better for you soon - and I will be watching this to see if there is any great advice!
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 20:32:52 pm »
Just kind of a "fun" fact (though not fun at all): my ped. told me that babies cry the most at 7 weeks....more than any other time in their baby lives.  So if you can get through this week, things will, based on someone's research somewhere, get better!! ;)
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 21:22:06 pm »
Clazzat~  You and I are in the same boat!  My dd2 also has reflux and is 7 weeks old.  Iy has been a nightmare!  The entire family is on teh verge of a breakdown.  Has your ped. prescribed any meds?  Ours is on prevacid and seems to be helping. 
Our biggest issue now is getting her to sleep.  We have been using the swing for all naps and have her propped on a boppy in in the pack n play at night.  The problem is, she wakes up every 10-15 minutes!  aaargghh!  Any suggestions that have been working for you?

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 23:36:46 pm »
Sherip I do feel for you. I too had a 2 year old and a new born ( my DD wasn't quite 2 when my DS was born), and many an afternoon I was sitting on the kitchen floor exhausted /frustrated & crying. I did however have support from my inlaws for the 1st 9 weeks of my DS life, so I commend you for keeping it together most days and getting this far without killing anyone.  I rarely went anywhere in those first few months and my DS was such a fussy guy with a really bad prickly heat rash, once I had that cleared up he was a completely different baby. Things do get easier.  My DD started to refuse her naps when her brother came along, and then she got her 2 yr molars. Life was not so great. I went through the same problems with my son with breast feeding and then he'd wake every 3 hrs at night. It's exhausting!  Hang in there ok, it does get easier...it's like when you add a new person to the household all hell breaks loose! Then it's a lot of work to get a good balance. My son did short naps for the first 3 months, then slwoly they would almost all become longer 1hr plus and it makes it easier to get a good routine. Give it a little more time, by 4 months is when their days become more organized (nights come first around 6-8 weeks) and then days around 12-16 weeks...sorry it's not really advice, just some extra hugs and support. If I think of anything that I did that worked, I will post it (my DD is almost 3 and DS is almost 1) so it seems like ancient history! Hang in there mama!
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 07:15:51 am »
It's nice to know that others are in a similar situation - although obviously it would be better if none of us was!  I will think of you guys the next time I am at the end of my tether and sure that I actually can't do this after all!

kcasey - we have been prescribed Gaviscon which has turned her into a different baby.  She still tends towards the short naps (although we quite often get a decent morning nap), but when she has slept she will sit happily in her chair/on her mat which makes a massive difference.  She's even smiling, which I was starting to think she'd never do!  As far as sleep goes, we have found that a dummy is really useful.  Apparently the sucking helps to keep everything down and she tends to find it pretty comforting.  It took a little while to persuade her to take it, but we basically held it in her mouth until she started sucking (!) and that seemed to work.  Last night, for example, she woke up at 2.30 and we gave her the dummy (3 times) and she didn't cry at all.  The other thing, if you can do it, which has given us the best days is going out in the buggy for the morning nap - she sometimes manages to sleep for 1.5 hours in the buggy and then she is properly rested for the rest of the day and it goes better.

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 03:12:06 am »
Thanks for the kind words and advice. I went to the health unit today to the breastfeeding clinic. The nurses there are awesome and have such great advice. She told me that my 11 wk old is tongue tied - which I had thought so and actually went to the dr 2 weeks ago specifically for this reason, but he told me she was NOT tongue tied. How frustrating. Anyway, tomorrow I am going back to him and if he won't do anything about it, I plan to ask for a referral for another dr. This can cause problems with her eating. I am also pretty sure she is teething, which can cause eating problems and pain. The nurse also suggested I get her ears checked out and possibly the reflux and tummy issues. So I am hoping that I can be referred to a good pediatrician from my dr, as I don't really trust him so much.
As for my 2 yr old... well, I'll deal with one at a time!! :)

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 04:41:20 am »
Don't worry about your older one watching tv so much...he will grow up just fine.  My oldest son is 27 months and our youngest son is 5.5 months and I cried, and cried that I couldn't give as much time as I had to my older son and I was upset that he pretty much watched tv all day because if I wasn't fighting for his younger brother to nap, I was too tired to play with him or I was crying in the couch.  I tried shush/pat for a month or so and then relented.  We had much success a couple months later with pu/pd.  I also stopped worrying about trying to get my younger one to sleep on his own so much before I started pu/pd and went for long stroller walks so that the younger one would just sleep!  Somewhere in the book, it mentions that babies/toddlers need sleep to sleep better.  Hope it gets better for you, I didn't think I would make it many days but it did get better over time.  I am still sleepless some  nights but this will too pass!

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 12:06:33 pm »
Sherip - hope you get to see someone who will listen to your concerns about your lo, and that the tongue-tie gets sorted quickly. As I understand it, the problems associated with tongue-tie disappear pretty quickly once it's sorted.

As for the teething thing, I seem to remember that dd1 went through a couple of weeks of being up screaming in pain at about 11/12 weeks and my hv told me that their teeth move into place in their gums at this point and it's really painful.  It took her another 4 months to actually get any teeth, though!

Don't know if this will make you feel better, but we have had some really good days, with dd2 settling to sleep quickly which means that I have been able to spend more time with dd1.  dd2 seems to have learnt that swaddle + dummy + dark room = sleep so I can just put her down and leave straight away.  There is light at the end of the tunnel!
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