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9.5 mo old STTN but now naps are horrible
« on: December 10, 2008, 16:25:00 pm »
Apologizing in advance for the length...
A bit of background:
My angel/textbook son STTN from 8 wks til 14 weeks then he developed severe eczema.  He would wake up scratching horribly, so I would nurse him back to sleep as it was the only thing that worked.  At 6 mo we switched to hypoallergenic formula and he got 90% better.  So from 6-9 mo he has been bottle fed and still sucked himself to sleep.  Honestly, I did not see a problem with this, because nap and bedtimes were quick and easy, and he slept well.  Only complaint was he woke around 2am for a bottle, and woke up btwn 5:30 and 6 am.  He was not eating solids from 7-9 months because he seemed to be allergic to everything, but at 9 mo we decided to reintroduce solids, and he did fine.  So once he was eating more in the day, I figured he did not need to get up in the night due to hunger, and I also discovered I was pregnant, which explained why I was so exhausted and the middle of the night feeding was just not working for me anymore.  So I found BW and decided to try it to get him STTN, since his eczema is so much better and I didn't need to worry about him scratching himself bloody anymore.
So now:  In the last 10 days weeks we started EASY and he adapted well to the routine and after a week of PD began STTN.  Instead of changing everything at once, I was still giving him a bottle with water for naps, and he would suck for a few minutes, then spit it out, I would pop him in the crib and he would fall asleep for 1hr 15 min, his usual nap length.  5 days ago, I decided the STTN was going great and it was time to tackle naps.   I watch for sleepy signs (tougher to spot now that he never wants to slow down and stop playing), we go to his room, close curtains, put on lullaby, read books in nursing chair, and when he seems calm, put him in crib.  He then pops up, cries hysterically, won't be soothed with words, rubbing, picking up, etc.  He does best when I leave the room, but then can mantra cry for 45 min to an hour and still not sleep.  He has put himself to sleep with the mantra cry, but most often after a long time he just gets upset and starts the real cry.   After I go in, it's all over.  He hysterical cries again, I try to PD he screams and screams.  A few times he stopped screaming and started laughing at PD, thought it was a game.  Basically he gets himself so upset that there really is no way he's going to calm down from this and fall asleep peacefully.  And the times he has finally fallen asleep on his own he sleeps for 30-45 min, wakes crying and will not succumb to another round of PD, so I get him up after the nap period is over.  So while I am so proud of him for STTN and going down for the night without sucking, naps have now become impossible.  What do I do???? 
Our EASY (when allowing to have bottle of water to suck to sleep for nap):
e- 7:00 wake, bottle
a- 7:15-8:30 play
e- 8:30 solids
a- 9-10 play
s- 10-11:15
e- 11:15 wake, bottle
a- 11:30-12:30 play
e- 12:30 solids
a- 1-2:45 play
s- 2:45-3:45
e- 3:45 bottle
a- 4-5:30 play
e- 5:30 solids
a- 6 play a bit, start bath/bed routine
6:30  bottle (not in nursing chair, do not let him fall asleep) pop in crib by 6:45 asleep within seconds/minutes. 

Since not letting him have water for naps, I am trying to stay on EASY schedule, but it definitely gets messed up because napping is so screwed up. 
Should I just let him suck the water before naps? I am so tempted because it works, and he sleeps!!!  This no napping is horrible for all of us!  I do not want to revert to bad habits, but I just wonder what the deal is, since he responded so well to PD for nights.


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Re: 9.5 mo old STTN but now naps are horrible
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 06:22:31 am »

there other thing is try and extand the first A time because if he has started sttn again he may be able to cope with a little more


I definitely agree with this idea.  Something that I found with my LO around this age is that if he slept a 12 hour night, no matter what A time we tried, he would only nap once a day--but was cranky and tired, just not tired enough to actually fall asleep independently.

We had success extending A time AND shortening his night to 10.5 hours.  That was sort of extreme, but you might consider extending A time and shortening his night to 11-11.5 hours and see if that makes a difference in his day time sleep drive. 

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Re: 9.5 mo old STTN but now naps are horrible
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 20:39:12 pm »
I'm going to jump on that same bandwagon and encourage you to extend his A time a bit.  Most bubs are doing 3-4 hrs easily at this age, so he probably could handle a bit more, which might make it easier for him to go down for naps.  I'd also continue to be super consistent with pd.
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Re: 9.5 mo old STTN but now naps are horrible
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 02:41:58 am »
Thank you all for your advice. 
I agree that overall he may be needing less sleep since he is getting so much at night now, and will try to extend A time, but when he does act sleepy I am afraid of him getting OT.  For example, this AM he woke at 6:10am, babbled for a little while, we ignored, then apparently everyone fell back asleep because my husband woke up at 8:15 and said, "oh my God it's 8:15!!"  My son NEVER sleeps past 7am.  So I went in and woke him up.  At 11:00 (only 2hrs 45 min later) he was sitting quietly in husband's arms, staring off into space, started rubbing at face.  This NEVER happens - he is usually quite playful and excited with his dad.  So we agreed we better try to put him down since he was clearly tired.  I did quick wind down, even gave him water bottle, which he refused, and put him in crib.  Screams immediately.  I did PD for a bit, but then decided he was getting more agitated, so I sat in the chair and didn't look at him.  Mantra crying mixed in with really upset crying.  20 min later, puts head in corner and starts to drift off.  1 min later, sits up crying hard.  calms himself, mantra cries for 15 more min, puts head in corner, starts to drift off, 1 min later sits up crying hard, escalates into hysterics for 10 min, no calming in sight.  I take him out of crib after 45 min total attempt at nap. 
So should I have ignored sleepy signs since it was so soon after waking and just distracted him for another hour or more?  Am I giving up too soon on letting him fuss it out, even if he is in hysterics?  After I get him out of the crib after hysterics, he is miserable to be around for quite a while - very clingy, cannot put him down for a moment, but yet squirms in my arms, not easily distracted, doesn't want to play, etc.  It just makes for an unpleasant period of time.  Today my mom visited so he was in a very good mood and didn't act OT.  He fell asleep the moment we got in the car to do a quick errand and slept about 25 min, then was up and happy the rest of the day, but again, I think my mom was a huge distraction.  If it was just the 2 of us at home I bet he would have been super crabby from OT - 25 min nap for the entire day for 9.5 mo old cannot be sufficient!

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Re: 9.5 mo old STTN but now naps are horrible
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 05:37:11 am »
Hun--the behavior you're describing really reminds me a lot of my son.  He was tired--I'd see sleepy signs, he'd even try to settle--but he just couldn't go to sleep.  For us the solution was shortening his night to increase his day time sleep drive and extending his A times.

About ignoring sleepy cues--at this age, part of reading cues is looking at patterns over time, not just individual yawns.  If you know he's needs 3-4 hours of A time based on his pattern over time and you see him yawn at 2 hours.  Ignoring that yawn isn't ignoring is cues; it's honoring his big picture cues.

I really don't think this has to do with your pu/pd technique.  I think it's a routine issue.