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desperate in need of serious advice
« on: February 07, 2009, 18:18:14 pm »
hello,
 i dont know what i am doing wrong, but i have posted questions before and no one seems to answer them. i really need someone to help me.
i am at the end of my rope.
 my DS is 22 months old. he was an angel baby, slept 12 hrs per night long naps, just perfect. well, now my life is hell.
we took away his pacifiers 2 weeks ago, because he was waking up and throwing them out of his crib multiple times per night. we weaned him to just naps and bedtime for a few months, then DH had had it with the binky throwing and we had our toddler help us throw them away cause he is a "big boy" now.
 since then, he does not nap. he wakes up screaming his head off an average of 8-12 times per night. he wakes up for good around 4:30 am.
i have tried everything. pu/pd did not work. i did it 100's of times. it honestly felt like i was rewarding his screaming by going in there to do it every time he cried so i gave that up. then i let him cry it out--i couldnt take it any longer, i thought i was going to lose it and it was my last resort. CIO did not work. he just cried all night.
 i tried walk in/walk out, same results.
i recently got so mad, i started spanking him when i go in. i nver wanted to spank my children, but i dont know what else to do.
i am dead tired, i have no relationship with my husband because we are too tired and have no private time, and i am at a total loss. how could an agel baby turn so fast? i want to give him back his binky, but DH refuses and it would cause a huge fight.
please help.

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 18:41:59 pm »
anyone??

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 18:51:37 pm »
((((hugs)))) I am sure someone will be along who can help you figure this out, but I couldn't read this and not respond. You are having an awful time, I'm so sorry. Poor Gabe, he must be so tired too with all the night wakings and the early mornings. Does he still take a nap in the daytime? I'm wondering if he could be having separation anxiety, worrying where you are when he wakes in the night. Would he settle with you in the room, do you think?

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 19:04:41 pm »
no he will not take a nap at all during the day now. before i took his paci away, he would take a 60-90min nap every day.
today i have tried everything...he screamed for 30 minutes when i tried to put him for a nap, so i brought him down on the couch to see if he would nap there--no luck, he just got up to play.
 now he is rubbing his eyes and cranky so i took him back up to his  rib and as soon as i left the room he screams his head off. i just left him up there to scream and came down here because i do not know what else to do. i am at my whits end.
wont me staying in the room till he falls asleep just create another problem? (when he wakes up at night, and i am not there)
what do other moms do in this situation???

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 19:09:09 pm »
If he screams when you leave the room, perhaps you could stay there til he falls asleep. Not permanently, just while he catches up on some sleep. It sounds like the night wakings and early wakings could be worse because he's so overtired. If he will fall asleep with you in the room, you could then try Gradual Withdrawal, there's a link about it here:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0







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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 14:09:26 pm »
I've been thinking of you, wondering how last night went.

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 17:15:47 pm »
{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}  It sounds like you're really having an awful time.  Anna's post sounds right on, he could be having some separation issues because he's always used the paci for comfort, now that he doesn't have that, he doesn't know what to do.  I might try staying in the room with him as well at least at first, then using the gradual withdrawal method to remove yourself from the room.  That method seems to work best when there's SA involved or when a bub has been left to CIO.  I would also try to introduce a lovie to him at this time (a favorite stuffed toy or a blanket).  He's had almost 2 years of comforting himself with a pacifier, and he does not know of any other way to comfort himself, but you can help him to figure that out - offering a lovie, staying in there talking to him, putting a hand on his back, rubbing his back - figure out what will work to soothe him, and that's what you do, then you can gradually pull back on that.

I know of another mom who has twins that she is doing gradual withdrawal with - it started with her rubbing their heads for 20 min, now she's down to less than 5 min.  She just pulls back on the length of time that she rubs her head and gradually removes that.  As she's doing it, her bubs are learning to comfort themselves to sleep.

It also will help if you can get dh to help (especially since he is opposed to giving the paci back, he can help be part of the solution).  You can both figure out a plan that will work for you and then do it super consistently - every nap, every bedtime.  It can be really confusing for our bubs when we try lots of different things to help them, because they never know what to expect.  By addressing napping and bedtime the same way each time, he will learn a new way to go to sleep on his own.  It won't be easy, and it will take time, but we will be here to support you.

hang in there!!
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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 19:49:39 pm »
hi everyone,
 i feel like a failure, but i gave him the binky back at bedtime. i simply cant take it anymore. i will try again in a few months after he is over 2, but right now he just isnt ready. plus he is very sick with a fever right now, and i didnt want to make him scream his head off all night yet again.
 thanks for caring.

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 19:59:49 pm »
I think this is the right thing to do. You don't have to get rid of the binky any time soon, if it is best for your family, why not wait until he is old enough to 'reason' and then you can talk to him about it, do a trade for a new toy or something - you will find lots of ideas for getting rid of pacifiers for older children on this board. It seems like this could be a bad time for it - he is very attached to it, but can't talk about it or understand why it is taken away.

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2009, 20:02:32 pm »
Saw this only now.  {{hugs}} You're not a failure.  :-*  PP's (previous posters) gave good advice about helping him find another way to soothe when you decide it's time to try that.

Posted with Anna.  She's right  ;)  I've read several posts about leaving pacis out for the paci fairy or "mailing" them for newborns to use or things along those lines.
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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 23:17:50 pm »
you are so not a failure!!!!  You need to do what works best for you and your bub.  When you're both ready, you can give it a go again.  It sounds like you both need a break and some sleep now - so don't waste the energy feeling guilty.  You're a great mum!!
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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2009, 23:30:11 pm »
If you decide to stick with the pacifier and he continues to throw it out of the crib I've heard of others putting several in the crib at night so there is always one there for him to find.  Not sure if this is good or bad, but may help you all get some sleep.
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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 02:00:32 am »
update--
binky is back, and we are all getting much needed sleep. :) DS only woke once last night, and took a 2 hr nap this afternoon...as i write this he is peacefully sleeping up there with his binky.
 he caught a virus as well, and has been fevered and sick all day..took him to see dr and guess what...doc gave me the guilt trip, basically said DS should not have the binky and i should take it away again, for good.
 i felt so bad as he was explaining how they should be rid of them by 18 months...all this time i do try to follow tracys advice and be a good mother, but i am learning you really cant please everyone.
i should have told him he is welcomed to come spend a few nights over here and break him of the binky himself. haha.
he did tell me i should leave him to cry, that he needs to learn to soothe himself, and i am just being manipulated. maybe so, but i like our current arrangement enough to let it go for a few months.
maybe we will try again after DS turns two in april.
thanks for all the support!

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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 17:15:44 pm »
Glad you had a better night & so sorry to hear ds is poorly.  You're right:  you can't please everyone or even follow everyone's advice.  You have to find what works for your family.  You do sound better, & I'm glad to "hear" it.  :)
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Re: desperate in need of serious advice
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 17:19:21 pm »
Only just seen this, glad things are improving for you.