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My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« on: February 18, 2009, 19:54:34 pm »
Hello everyone. I am kind of at a dead end with my 18 month toddler's sleep issues. I was hoping you could help me out.
Johnny has never been a good sleeper.
He wakes up at 7. I know cut his two naps to one (napping is not a problem for him) and he has his nap at 1230 (for an hour and a half). At night (7:30), I bathe him and lay down with him on our family bed. He still breastfeeds for a while (5-10 minutes) while he touches my other breast (his 'lovey' unfortunately) and then he sucks on his thumb and falls asleep (right next to me). I then move him to his cot (in our room). After about two hours he starts screaming and won't calm down unless i take him to our bed. He then spends the whole night there, waking up crying between three & five times. It sometimes just takes a bit of cuddling & some times it takes him an hour and a half to fall back asleep. I usually didn't have a problem co-sleeping with him for half the night, however now he has becoming extremely clingy & is quite demanding as well. I don't breastfeed him every time he wakes up (I am trying to slowly wean him), usually just once. However he is sometimes kicking & hitting during the night & at the moment neither my husband nor I get the sleep we need.
I have tried letting him cry it out once but after ten horrible minutes I felt terrible & he was banging his head on his bed. I would like to get pregnant again (I had a miscarriage a month ago), but it seems like so much work with Johnny's sleep issues that I don't seem to have the strength. My gynecologist told me I lost the previous baby at 6 weeks because I was breastfeeding Johnny. I think my body was just too exhausted.
I would love for him to sleep in his cot, however I don't want to sleep train him with crying. Do you have any ideas on how I could teach him to sleep alone without hurting his feelings too much? (I ve never let him cry it out until now so I am not willing to do it now).
I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on our situation.
Thanks a million
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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 07:16:53 am »
that's horrible your gynecologist told you that you lost the baby bc of breastfeeding, that sounds like an old wive's tale. generally pregnancy's don't develop bc of a chromosomal problem i think. it is hard to breastfeed and be pregnant bc both kids are depleting you of nutrients, and it will make it much harder for you to be well rested and nourished, but you can take extra nutrients. i personally wouldn't recommend getting pregnant again so fast bc resting first does help YOU bc you'll be that much more tired with another pregnancy.
i have terrible sleep problems with my little one too but i did have luck with my first son so i'll just share that story with you.
he co-slept and breastfed about every two hours to sleep until he was 17 months. then i watched an episode of the baby whisperer on tv and it gave me hope and courage to try sleep training and stop breastfeeding at once.
my son had never liked his crib so i took the matress out and put it next to our bed on teh floor (i also put our matress on the floor). instead of breastfeeding him, i gave him a bottle before bed and then hugged and kissed him and told him "you are going to sleep now, i love you, i'm here with you and you are safe." i put him down in the bed and he cried. every time he cried i picked him up and repeated my mantra "i love you, you are safe, i'm with you, you are just going to sleep now, good night" and put him down again. i picked him up, comforted him, and put him down in the bed for at least 45 minutes maybe an hour, before he finally fell asleep on his own and stayed asleep.
there was a lot of crying but he was never alone and never left to cry. i always comforted him and then put him down in the bed.
it was miraculous. that night for the first time he only woke up once the whole night. when he woke up i did the same routine, pick up, mantra, put down. no shaking or rocking or nursing. this time it took 15 minutes and he fell asleep til morning!
within a couple of days he was sleeping through the night.
what the baby whisperer said was that if you are going to try sleep training you must be 100 percent committed or it is cruel. you must see it through. you can't let him go through that nad then breastfeed him bc he will be getting mixed messages.
i hope that might help.
good luck and please take care of yourself, rest when you can, take vitamins, eat lots of veggies and fruit and organic eggs and lentils and almonds....and do consider giving yourself a few months to rest before trying to get pregnant again, for your sake, to be well rested and spend some time with your son.

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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 15:19:40 pm »
Welcome to BW!

Hugs to the lost of your lo.  Please don't blame yourself for the lost.  The last thing you need is to feel any guilt about m/c.  Have you read any of the BW books?  If not, then you could probably borrow one from the library.  In the meantime, as Johnnny is 18 mos, I would do the Gradual Removal Method (GR).  It is the gentler way of teaching him independent sleep especially if you don't want much crying.  Here's a link about it.  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0

Do you have any help from dh?  If you want to wean him from the nightfeedings or comfort nursing then dh needs to get involve to try to resettle Johnny at nights.  You may also have to change your bedtime routine so that he is in his room for the last part of the routine before he gets drowsy or fall asleep.

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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 11:55:54 am »
Thank you so much for your replies. I wouldn't worry about co-sleeping with Johnny if it would work well but it seems that some nights he is not completely satisfied either. I would like to try the picking up & comforting but as he is a high need toddler and I have never really left him to cry before it might be overpowering for both of us. Furthermore I am visiting my grandparents next week in Germany & i think that I should probably return home first before starting a sort of 'sleep training'. Do you agree? 

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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 15:29:53 pm »
Yes, it is best to do any training when you at back at home.  In the meantime, you can read up on some of the threads in this board to give you some ideas.  DO you know what temperment your lo is?  Here's a quiz you can take.  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=52284.0
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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 11:16:27 am »
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately I haven't read any of Tracy's books. Another mom on babycenter community told me about this site. I am now very eager to read her books. I was thinking of getting the toddler one, do you agree?
I think the Gradual Removal method would work fine with me (since it does not involve letting him cry it out) however I don't know how to make the transition smooth from falling asleep next to me to falling asleep in his crib. I really wouldn't mind co-sleeping with him the whole night but it doesn't seem to work for him either. Last night he wouldn't calm down between midnight and 2 am, I think he was having a night terror as well. He wouldn't calm down neither in his crib nor between us in the family bed. I took him in my arms and he kind of relaxed sitting in a chair.
The last time I left him in his bed and tried the walk in walk out method (a month ago) he was screaming for an hour or so but then slept through the night. However, the next day he was full of anger towards me & hitting me constantly (like punishing me for letting him cry it out). I didn't try it again.
I just took the 'know your toddler quiz' and it seems that Johnny fits perfectly into the category of the spirited child. Some nights are worse then others. I am really desperate in finding the best solution for the whole family. At the moment no one is sleeping fine. Do you have any other ideas????Sorry to be a pain.....

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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 14:08:02 pm »
I unfortunately have no advice for you but i wanted to send big HUGS to you.I too have a 19 month old who just has never been a good sleeper so i feel your frustration and sleep deprivation.


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Re: My 18 month old toddler still does not sleep well at night...
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 14:48:04 pm »
Don't worry about being a pain.  We have all been there and we are here to help.  :)

I suggest that for the next few days/nights, keep a log of his routine.  This will help determine if he needs some tweaking in the day to help with the nightwakings (NWs).  Once you have that you can look at some other los his age to get some ideas as to what others are doing.  Sometimes with the right routine, the NWs can go away on its own when combined with the knowledge of falling asleep independently.
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=105487.0

I don't know how to make the transition smooth from falling asleep next to me to falling asleep in his crib.

With GR, you slowly distance yourself from him so that he learns to fall asleep on his own.  So basically you stay by his side until he is asleep (touching him, patting him, singing to him, etc) in the crib.  Then after a few nights, you lessen your involvement/help until he no longer needs you to be by his side or in the room.  How long it takes really depends on each baby.

For example, 1st night took him 30 mins to fall asleep with you next to him (touching,patting, rubbing, etc).  Next few nights, do the exact same thing but try to lessen the time to 25 min.  Keep doing this until you longer have to be right next to him but still in the room.  Then slowly distance yourself away from the crib a few feet at a time but still let him see you.  Then one night you will be able to have him fall asleep without you in the room.  During this time, you can offer soothing words/phrases to tell him that it's time to sleep.  Repeat the same words everytime.  

I highly suggest that you get dh involve.  Keep a log so that you can see your progress.

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