Looking for support/tweak to help with EW's.

[*Becky*]

Yes I agree.
He did 11.5 hours last night which is better but seemed tired after being up for about an hour!?
So far...
Awake at 5.45am
E - 6.15 - solids at 7.30am
S - 8.10 -

Will let you know. Guess he must just be OT.

Thanks
Becky x

[*Becky*]

Anna,
heeeeeeelp!
Things not good here
Just cannot get it right.
This is today...
Awake at 5.45am
E - 6.15am - solids at 7.30am
S - 8.10-10.10am  - Good nap but after less than 2.5 hours. ? Is he using this as extension of night sleep do you think?

E - lunch at 11am - bottle at 1pm
S - 1.10-1.50am

E - tea at 3.45pm

Tried for a catnap at 4 but he did not fall asleep till 4.50pm. Clearly tired but just got new front facing car seat so far too exciting to sleep

Bed at 6.15pm after milk. Only drank 4oz.

So many issues suddenly. Not responding to APOP, early starts, not drinking milk etc.

So....what do I do?
This morning after 11.5 hours night sleep he was giving tired signs around 7.30am!!! Do you think I should give him a small feed when he wakes and then try to get him back down till 7am? Feels a bit like we are regressing but I need to break this tired cycle and he does always fuss for milk as soon as we come downstairs and drinks it v quickly. Or do I do PUPD until 7am.

Really confused as he does not respond to any APOP other than the car and that is less reliable these days

On the plus side he was in a pretty good mood today.

Oh also - is it ok to try set naps for spirited/touchy babies. I kind of want to as we have never managed to get onto a consistent routine even for a week after 8.5 months. Am getting a little desparate.

Thanks

Becky

[anna*]

It is definitely worth trying a small feed at 5.45am, treating it just like a night feed. It's got to be worth a try to see what happens, if he goes back down even for half an hour (ie goes back from 6 til 6.30) then you're starting your day at a more reasonable hour and can go for two naps. Honestly, I never had any luck using PUPD to resettle in the morning - after 11.5hrs, you really can't classify it as an EW, because that is a great nights' sleep iyswim!?

Is he eating solids well? How many milk feeds does he have? I know that some people have definitely had success with spirited/touchy LOs with set naps - but I don't have experience of it myself. Do you post on either the spirited or touchy support threads and could ask on there? The thing with it, is you will inevitably get a few days of OT, until he adjusts. So it really depends on how comfortable you are with recovering from OT if it all goes wrong.

[*Becky*]

Thanks.
He has 3 solid meals and 3 milk feeds so if he drinks it all 24oz but recently more like 20 oz. He eats his solids pretty well I think, I mean he is a little fussy but I think he is getting enough.
I think I will give it a few more days and then if we still have pre 6am wakings I might try the feed. Until we can get to a reasonable start of the day it is hard to get rid of the catnap and that is becoming a nightmare in itself.
I am confused that he can be tired after 11.5 hours sleep but his A times are so low that I am thinking he must be OT.
Becky x

[anna*]

He's definitely tired yes, and not just needing a change of scene/activity?

[*Becky*]

not sure. Constantly rubbing eyes etc and if I keep him up for the recommended time for his age I get a short nap.

[anna*]

I'd try a very brief change of scene to just check that he's really tired and not bored. Hoping today is going OK for you.