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Hello everyone!  The last few weeks of my last pregnancy (my third child), I read the Baby Whisperer Solves All Your Problems and Secrets of the Baby Whisperer.  I figured if we started EASY from the very beginning, we wouldn't have to worry about accidental parenting messes to clean up and everything would be a breeze.  I got into some really, really bad accidental parenting with my second child (nursing to sleep, sleeping with Mommy).  By the time he was a toddler, he still couldn't sleep without nursing and life around bedtime was generally a nightmare.  I was determined that when our third came along, we would NOT be doing that again.

Ha.  EASY isn't so easy even when started from the beginning.  Our third baby came along the end of January and I tried for the first few weeks but it just didn't seem to be going well.  These last several days I've pretty much given up (at least temporarily).  I'm so tired that I am getting back into some accidental parenting just to get some rest.  I don't want to go down this road and I was hoping you all could help me get things on track.

One of our main problems is that the shush/pat doesn't seem to be helping my son to acquire any kind of self-soothing sleep skills at all.  I realize he's only a tiny fella now, but I kind of thought he'd be gradually learning how to soothe himself after a couple of weeks.  He didn't seem to be able to do that at all.  I tried to do the 4-S bedtime routine as well during that time.  We didn't always get it perfectly right (I have two other children ages 5 and 2, and sometimes I have to deal with them while I'm trying to put DS3 to sleep).  Perhaps I'm not doing the shush-pat right, I don't know.  When I was doing it, it would seem like I was shushing and patting FOREVER, and when I thought he was finally all the way asleep, a little bit later he'd be crying again.  Frustrating!  I don't have the luxury of hours to spend doing shush-pat, especially when the other children need help with bedtime things too.  Not only that, after a while I get so tired.

The accidental parenting we've been getting into since I gave up shush-pat are: pacifier use (although I'm not 100% sure that's become a prop just yet), nursing to sleep, needing to be held to sleep well, holding/nursing to sleep and then laying him down in the bed and having him wake up a few minutes later crying.  He especially loves to be held while sleeping. 

One thing I did notice is that sometimes at bedtime he seems uncomfortable/upset about something.  He did this even when I was paying close attention and trying to have him in bed "before the third yawn", so I don't think it was over-tiredness.  He cries and kind of scrunches up his body in the middle, kind of like how you or I would bend over a little at the waist if we had a bellyache.  He usually doesn't seem gassy when he does this, and isn't pulling his legs up to his stomach.  Sometimes he'll poop after he's been fussing like this but not always.  I don't know if BMs moving through his intestines just bother him a lot or if it is something else.  He does it a lot at sleepy-times, especially after I swaddle him.  Perhaps he just doesn't like swaddling?  But other times, he seems OK with swaddling. 

I have a hard time reading his cries sometimes.  Also, he does seem to need to eat more often than 3hours.  He takes short feeds, but is gaining weight well so his pediatrician says he must be getting enough.  Sometimes he will want to eat every hour but more often 1.5 or 2 hours.  Occasionally he will go 3-4 hours at night but usually more like 2-3.

He still sleeps a lot but occasionally will have some awake time, sometimes as much as 30 minutes or so after his meal.  He doesn't seem to want to be awake at night, so I've been letting him sleep as much as he wants during the day also. 

I can't figure out his personality type yet - he's not old enough to answer some of the questions, and the ones I can answer are all over the place.  So I don't have that insight yet to start from.  He doesn't seem overly grumpy or touchy (maybe a little sometimes), but he certainly doesn't put himself to sleep easily like an Angel baby would. 

Any help you all can give me would be great.  I know we're getting into accidental parenting, and I so don't want to go there.  Is the shush/pat sleep skills "training method" supposed to be so grueling at first?  I feel kind of lost.  I want to do EASY, and I ESPEICIALLY want him to be able to sleep independantly (no more props!).  He is 4 weeks old tomorrow.

And sleeping on my lap right now.    :P ::) ???

Thanks in advance.
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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 03:39:47 am »
Hi there!  Huge (((hugs))) and welcome to bw!  Congratulations on your little guy :)

Please keep in mind that 4wo is oh so young - far too young to be developing self soothing skills at this point.  Tracy developed shh/pat because very young babies NEED that help to fall asleep; they simply cannot do it on their own until older (usually 3-4mo old).  Shh/pat is a method that allows us to help our los fall asleep when they need the help, but is not a prop as it's easy to gradually wean as they get older and develop those self soothing skills.  And TBH, using some AP at this young age is not the end of the world.  You could always try using shh/pat for just one sleep - one nap, or bedtime, whatever is easiest with your schedule and your other children.  AP for the rest if you need to - as long as he knows that shh/pat is a way to fall asleep, it's easy to use it to break any habits/props created by APing.

Here are some links that you might find useful too:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=1993.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63933.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=26672.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85500.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64836.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=65443.0

Could you post what a typical day looks like for you?  And are you breast or bottle feeding?
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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 04:08:13 am »
I'm breastfeeding.  My charting the last few days has been erratic, but I'll post the last day I was careful about writing things down.

22 Feb
0220 - feed - R side, 10mins
0425 - L side, 7 mins
approx. 0630 - R side, ? mins (I think I fell asleep during this feed...) - diaper wet & dirty
0805 - L side, 10m - diaper dirty
0950 - R side, 20m - diaper wet & dirty, awake about 1 hour including feed time
1100 - L side, 10m
1415 - R side, 10m - diaper wet
1755 - L side, 10m - diaper wet & dirty
1935 - R side, 10m
2320 - L side... (can't read writing on how long the feed was... LOL I must have been half-asleep)
(23 Feb) 0135 - L side, 12m
0315 - R side, 10m
0515 - L side, 18m - diaper wet & dirty
0825 - R side, 20m - note, sleepy at 0930

As you can see, I'm not as good at writing down the activity time or sleep times because his activity time isn't much to speak of yet, and his sleep time - if he keeps waking up every so often, I don't usually get to write down how long he actually slept.  I guess I should get back with the charting and try harder so I know how long he actually sleeps.  He sleeps much longer on or next to me, LOL.

Thanks for the links - several of those I had not seen when I looked at the EASY FAQ/info page.  I'll take a look at them.

And thanks so much for the reply.  I don't know anyone IRL who does the baby-whispering thing so I don't have anyone to ask questions of.  I'm glad you are here so that I can ask questions of parents who have already done this and know more about how it really works.  :-)
 

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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 09:40:34 am »
Hi just wanted to say I am new to this as well and have similar problems reading his cues and working out his type. Evenings are the worst between 5 and 10pm  when he just feeds and screams and wont be soothed any way never mind not doing accidental parenting!  I dont want him snacking and napping and I dont want to rock him to sleep and have him sleep in my arms but like you I have 2 other children to feed and put to bed.

I am totally for this EASY method and the 4 week schedule is perfect for me, I have just got to persuade him to do it. I find it had to make him wait for food and also to wake him and feed him as he is just not having any of it.

It is early days for me and I am still reading the book, but this forum looks like a godsend.

Hope you can work it out .

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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 14:09:32 pm »
Thanks, best wishes to you too.  You may find that you have to reread parts of the book before you understand it fully... and I found for myself that even though I read the books two or three times through, it is a bit different when you actually try to make it work in real life.  I bet we'll be all right once we get some advice and experience under our belts.  :-)

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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 05:11:55 am »
Big (((hugs))), I haven't forgotten about you :-* Worked the night shift tonight and have had a couple nws due to teething pain already. Will pop back on during nap tomorrow :)
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 17:17:28 pm »
And back :)

It is definitely hard to offer any thoughts when there's no A times or S times to go by :) BUT keep in mind that 4 weeks is so young that your routine is still likely to be inconsistent.  Also, 4-6w is a HUGE growth spurt and with ebf babies that means more frequent feeds.  So feed, feed, and feed some more - this is how your milk supply will increase to meat your ds' needs.  Don't try to stretch feeds out right now - if he's giving hungry cues, feed him.  If he wakes at night, feed some more ;)  Here's some more information on breastfeeding and growth spurts:  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=66001.0

Here too is some information and sample routines for young babies:  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164027.0

Let me know how things are going :) :-*
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Re: First time trying EASY, having trouble getting things working well!
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 20:41:38 pm »
Things are going OK.  I'm trying not to stress out about the AP-monster (LOL).  I try (lately) not to worry too much if I feed DS at night and end up falling asleep myself in the process.  At least he starts out the night in his own bed (and periodically goes back if I can manage to wake myself up enough to drag myself back over to the bassinet to put him in it when he's finished nursing!).  Maybe I'll give him another month or so before I start getting really uptight about trying to teach sleep skills again.  I'm just trying to not get upset and really enjoy these days.  They pass so quickly, before we know it he will be as big as our oldest is now (5 years).   

He's so sweet and precious.  :-)

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 17:07:32 pm »
I'm still in survival mode... so we've been doing too much co-sleeping, pacifier use/sucking to sleep, etc.  I just wanted to drop in and ask... why is it that babies always seem to sleep SO MUCH BETTER when they're in bed with Mommy (or at least ON Mommy in some capacity)?

It's too bad that sleeping with Mom can be such a rotten habit to break.  It's so sweet to sleep with them when they're little bitty.  They're all snuggly and happy and Mommy gets extra sleep AND extra snuggles & kisses.  :-)

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 17:11:23 pm »
Oh, yes, and I did want to ask this:  I know that swaddling is considered very important for good sleep habits, but my son seems to HATE being swaddled.  He seems to prefer his arms to be free.  He can be calm and quiet when I'm getting him prepared for sleep, but as soon as I lay him down and start wrapping him up he starts crying and struggling.  Is this normal?

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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 19:21:59 pm »
Hi again :)  Was wondering how things were going for you!

why is it that babies always seem to sleep SO MUCH BETTER when they're in bed with Mommy (or at least ON Mommy in some capacity)?
For a couple reasons I think - one is that you are his most favourite person in the world.  The world is bright and stimulating and noisy, and you (your warmth, your smell, your heartbeat, your voice) are home to him.  You are safe and soothing and warm in a world that he is just beginning to know.  Another possible reason is evolutionary (this is the scientist in me coming out).  In the wild, babies (of any species) are easy pray - their instinct is to stay close to mom to be safe and protected.  This is actually one of the reasons why CIO can be so damaging.  Babies do not have reasoning skills.  They do not *know* that they are safe in their crib, they sometimes need to be comforted and reassured that everything is ok.  If left to cry alone, the stress hormone cortisol continues to rise and can actually do physical damage to baby's developing brain.

Co-sleeping can be a really, really hard prop to break.  It can be done, but it takes a lot of work and it's easier the younger that they are.  And they can sleep just as well in the crib, but like any skill sleeping independently takes practice.  Your ds is still so young too (6w now, correct?).  Is there a happy medium at all?  Could you have a bassinet right beside your bed so that he's not *co-sleeping* per say, but is still right there to make middle of the night feeds easier?

I know that swaddling is considered very important for good sleep habits, but my son seems to HATE being swaddled.  He seems to prefer his arms to be free.  He can be calm and quiet when I'm getting him prepared for sleep, but as soon as I lay him down and start wrapping him up he starts crying and struggling.  Is this normal?
TBH we didn't swaddle for that very reason - D seemed to just hate it.  In retrospect though, we may have tried it for a bit longer if I had known some of the information that I know now.  Young babies are very 'jerky' (for lack of a better word) when they are OT, or even when they are drifting off to sleep normally, and swaddling can really help them settle because they are warm and secure.  Check out this link when you get a chance, you might find this method helpful:  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=1439.0

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 02:42:55 am »
Yeah, we have a bassinet right next to our bed, but to be honest sometimes I'm so exhausted and groggy in the middle of the night that I can fall asleep during feeds... and then of course I wake up a few hours later with Baby snuggled up to me.  If I'm going to break the co-sleeping habit now while it's easier, I'm going to have to try and force myself to stay awake (and then to drag myself over close enough to put him in the bassinet safely).  He's already started crying when I try to put him back sometimes, so I'd better get after the habit-breaking.

I have one of those special swaddling sleep-sack things (the ones that have "angel wings" on the back that you swaddle Baby with and they hold tight with velcro fasteners).  Perhaps that would help him, I don't know.

Swaddled or not, one thing I try to do is change his sleep position each time I put him back in his bed at night.  I have two rolled-up hand towels to keep him from falling over when he's on his side.  When I first put him down for the night, I may (for instance) put him on his side and put one rolled towel at his tummy and one on his back.  Then after a while when he needs a feed, I'll feed/burp him and all that, and when I put him back I may put him on his other side to sleep.  Then the next time, I'll lay him flat on his back.  Even when he's on his back, I put the towels snugly against his sides.  I guess I just figured it would help him feel more snuggly/secure (especially since I haven't been swaddling).

I'm going to start charting again soon so I can get a more current look at his sleeping patterns.  I know his routine is a little bit off but I need to write it down to remember how long his naps, etc. are.  I'll post again when I start getting a good picture again.