EW and inconsistent Waking 7 3/4 mo old???

[kaynay]

Part 2 of my other response I forgot to mention ...of water that is I am weaning off the early am feed as he barely tugged anymore when BF and even when given a bottle maybe took 2-3 oz tops and at 5 am I am sure he could stretch til 630ish so my goal now is to wean that early am feed I could be crazy but that is only a goal so the water has been a diversion that past 2 nights. I dont think a few oz of water can fill him up if its just a few oz. If he wakes back again at 630 wtih 1 5ish am NW/EW for the quick comfort suck that makes an 11 hour night minus 15 min of teh waking depending on how long I wait to go in and handle...I am still limiting day naps hoping that kicks in eventually and am doing set naps period  no matter the way up time and waking him for now which I hate to do but as soon as he extends him morning and I can give him his bottle before his first nap for his 2nd feeding then I will let him sleep longer probably in 9th mt range and then start working towards 45 min cat nap end of day in prep for the 2.1 transition for now should god not strike me down we have
1st nap 1.5 hours anywhere from 3.75-4.5 hr A time
2nd nap 330-430 3.5hr  A time
BT 3- 3.25 hr A time

[Chicane]

hmmm...I'm not finding this. His 3-4am feeds are full feeds...so I think maybe he still needs them? Anway, am just going to concentrate on the EWs - we've been good till this morning when I had a 5.30 (i think!?) he hung out in his cot until 6.30am. Now not sure what time he should have morning nap! Fun and games! As writing this he just gave me a massive yawn but its only 8am....argh what to do!

[kaynay]

i say stretch him as long as you can in the am...after several EW mornings I stopped doing water this am i just have him half a feed instead of bf 4 oz in a bottle he went back til 8 completing a 12 hour night but i left him as over a week of EW and super long A times in the am to give later am nap i felt he needed the catch up ...today is a new day and totally different i really think we are in the 2-1 nap transition slowly when he does a 12 hour day so will try to keep him about an hour from what he is used to and for now our BT is a little later around 815 as opposed to the usual 730ish/ 745...I am giving into the EW monster as hunger if he goes back to sleep if its anything before 530/ 545 he will get a feed if he is waking unhappy...if he wakes happy after 6 I leave him in cot til 7 so looks like our easy is in a transition right now and his A times are def 3.5 hrs which i read means a slow 2-1 transition. will see today is totally new for us

[Chicane]

hey kaynay - well yesterday was a bit of a mess he gave me a 30 min morning nap and a 2 hour afternoon but then three NWs??? I think the NWs were because he didn't eat is evening solids because he had to sort out our phone and the phone company and he got his solids late and was not happy about it....anyway - one thing I can say is that BW has given me so much more tools and confidence and ideas to work with then before...at least it makes ME feel better if not getting him to sleep the way I want him to! Ha thats it in a nutshell...WE want them to do it OUR way but the little buggers just do what they want. How rude!

[kaynay]

Chicane we are 8mos old in 2 days off the subject what are your solid amounts I am wondering when and if to increase? all meals are spoon feed what are you doing? our liquid amounts for breastmilk and formula over the day including the 5 am night feed is anywhere from 24-29 oz a day/...

Morning we have 1/2-3/4 wheatbix cracker dissolved in 1 frozen food cube fruit puree and water into a mush

Afternoon we have 2 sweet potatoe frozen food cubes recently made a little thicker with 1 pear frozen food cube yields about 2-3 oz total

Dinner is banana about 1/2 a small banana smushed less into small chuncks not a puree anymore, mixed with 1/8 an avocado into small chucks sprinkled wtih oatmeal and watter to make a stew type consistency yields about 3 oz

[Chicane]

Hey Kaynay

You are looking far more organised on the solid front than us. I am all over the place. Some days he eats others he doesn't want anything to do with it. Its making it hard to figure it all out. I cook up the puree and freeze into cubes (except for the avocado which is fresh). yesterday I cooked up some dried apricots, skinned then and pureed...we are going to try that today. I am not sure if you can freeze this so I only made a little bit. He is still having the same number of BFs but I don't know how much he gets at each feed. At the moment we are trying one cube of each thing but he's not eating all of it. Is yours eating all of it? I switch the combinations around so that he has a bit of variation - do you think its better to keep it the same thing everyday before making changes?

Morning avocado with pear puree
Lunch brocoli and sweet potato or green bean and pumpkin
Dinner baby rice with brocoli, pumpkin, sweet potato or some combination

I think I might try your wheatbix breakfast and see if he likes that but I really want him to get into the veges and fruits first before doing so many carbs...when you say oatmeal...is that just normal oatmeal or special baby stuff? If normal is it whole oatmeal flakes or is it kind of grinded more to a powder like consistency?

[stevesmum]

hey ladies, just to post my example.... we are nearly 33 weeks and here's what we might eat.....
breaky - 1 smashed boiled egg with toast to suck on/1 weetbix with bi desspn yoghurt/3 despn baked beans smashed with fork/3-4despn porridge with little milk to cool
smoko - 2 milk arrowroots/4strawberries/1 banana
lunch 3-4 despn yog or custard/3 des meat and gravy through food processor/3 icecubes of food processed fruit and rice cereal
arvo smoko - much the same as morning smoko
dinner - 1 cube each of broccoli, zucchini, carrot,potato, pumpkin, meat (or creamed corn if one of those veges missing) all food processed and a heap despn in size, and then two -three despn of pudding - be it custard, blancmange, creamed rice etc....

plus we still bf 3-4 times a day.... oh the //// mean OR.....ie banana OR strawberries....

[Chicane]

wow - he's eating heaps! I love it that he has a smoko! How many teeth has he got? How does he go chewing the weetbix toast etc...I am afraid to give my LO chewy things he only has two front teeth...

[kaynay]

steves mum---wow he eats HEAPS for sure.....as for the snack where do you fit those in at 33 weeks  feed wtih the milk right after the bfings?
What is a despn is that like a tablespoon?

[stevesmum]

sorry despn - dessertspoon
teeth - er well, none... but they annoy him abit every now and then
as for chewing, he gnaws mashes etc.... the toast he pretty much just sucks on but hey, its a habit i'm making if nothing else of eating toast at breakky
as for the weetbix, they are really gooey and sloppy so no trouble there... millk arrowroot biccies are gummed to disintergration point, though doesn't eat ALL of the biscuit... maybe half
as for where they fit in....
morning breast feed say 5 (though today was 7) back to sleep (may not want to feed at 7 if he wakes up then... hence trying to break habit... though it does give me a 7am start)
breaky 7.30ish
smoko 9.30 before nap by about 30 min or so
breast feed before nap always has been a fast quick feeder regardless (fast letdown too)
lunch twelvish and breast feed again before nap at 2ish
arvo smoko around 4 or after nap
then tea at 6

I should point out that his cousin who is about 10months older doesn't eat this much - but lo has always loved food, awhile back I wasn't giving him anywhere near this much and he had lots of night wakings, and s-i-l suggested i try feeding him more...and presto it worked, or it could have been coincidence.... i stop offering the minute he turns his head from the spoon.... oh and i started the minute he looked interested in what i had (at the time a nectarine...which he liked ALOT) he also likes to demolish a whole pear, slice of watermelon, apricot (sour face....!!)
also, a medical prof told me its important to make the step from smooth puree to not so smooth at a critical time (i think when they can do the pincer hold) or else they may reject the change.. not sure how true it is, but my food processor only does chunks (say carrot, meat, broccoli) about the size of arborio rice...it goes goes down well, though you can identify carrot at the other end!!LOL oh, and we didn't stick on plain rice cereal for too long either as we got held up pretty well, so we started new stuff pretty quick.
hope this helps...
my mum says my bro survived the first 3 years of his solid food life on custard, jelly, weetbix and bread and butter - that's all he would eat... his son is the same.... coincidence??? who knows, but i'd sure use that excuse if it made me feel better!!!

hey chicane... you can freeze just about anything i've found... i never bothered to cook some fruits...although i didn't mind them changing colour either, but just food processed em all.... we only go to town once a month, so i get organised after i've been shopping... sometimes the weetbix can be a bit tough on their belly too apparently, but again i'm no doctor so can't say for sure...

[Chicane]

Hi ya - just noticed you are in Oz...I'm an Aussie living in Spain...Sydney girl...you sound like you're out in the sticks..are you farming? BTW if we keep posting like this about food I might ask to move us to solid food board...whaddya think?

I don't know why I am so hesitant to move on from puree - he's ready...so, going to make the jump when we get the high chair with tray from a friend next week. I'm finding it hard to find all those things that I grew up on like milk arrowroot bikkies and decent weetbix (the Spanish version just doesn't cut it) Also sliced bread here is full of sugar and gunk - the locals eat baguette style bread and I reckon the crust is too tough for little gums...so may have a go at baking my own bread if I get round to it (like I have nothing better to do) But I found a recipe for homemade rusks yesterday so going to bake some up (Spaniards don't do rusks!) Am muddling through the food thing...I think having the high chair will make it much easier for me to start experimenting.

[stevesmum]

hey chicane... thought you sounded to sensible to be anything but an AUSSIE!!! just kidding, no offense intended! Sure am in the sticks, grew up in the sticks and so will my bubba... If you want to move to solids that's fine by me...it sorta has drifted that way hey...as for rusks, i think i read somewhere if you get fresh bread and roll it up real tight (squish it into a rusk shape) then cook it in the microwave for a few minutes (or oven i guess) that's supposed to work. Haven't tried it, but let me know if you need anything and don't have any family over here anymore..... i could care-parcel it for you!!! 
hey my little piglet caught up with overeating at dinner time tonight... he got a bit of an airlock/burp bubble during eating his dinnner..... had put him to bed for the night, and went in 5 mins later to check him... as happy as larry with a big puddle of veges in his hair, ears up nose all over jammies..... dh swears he takes after him as lo didn't spook up ANY CHOCOLATE PUDDING... dh reckons you gotta make room for it by getting rid of the other rubbish mumma feeds me....!
sure.....
gonna check out your link.....

[Chicane]

stevesmum - that is so hilarious I just burst out laughing and the rest of the house are looking at me like I am a crazy lady (umm, I actually AM a crazy lady) Thanks for your offer, my mum and sis are in Syd still and I get care packs from them occasionally, the postage is so expensive tho, and its takes about 400 years to get here.  xxx

PS Haven't had the chance to post to my blog for a bit but will try tomorrow to put up something new

[kaynay]

Chicane for some reason I never answered your questions sorry here they are
Is yours eating all of it? NOT ALWAYS USUALLY NOT

I switch the combinations around so that he has a bit of variation - do you think its better to keep it the same thing everyday before making changes? I AM REALLY NOT SURE MY GUY DOESNT LOVE SOLIDS LIKE MY FIRST HE EATS A FEW THINGS ALWAYS BUT NEVER FINISHES LIKE HE WILL ALWAYS EAT HIS WEETABIX or MASHED BANANA W/ A LITTLE OATMEAL AND WATER MIXED IN LIKE A STEW now HE WILL EAT SOME YOGURT MAYBE 1 TBS...BUT GENERALLY I KEEP THINGS ABOUT THE SAME BREAKFAST IS NOW WEETABIX W A FRUIT CUBE MIXED WITH WATER - LUNCH SWEET POTS W APPLE OR PEAR but he is recently rejecting LUNCH WILL TRY TO MIX YOGURT W SWEET POT DINNER WAS YOGURT BUT WILL NOT DO FOR LUNCH and go back to mashed BANANAS chuncks with OATMEAL and WATER STEW CONSISTENCY...I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF FRUIT and CARBS I WILL VENTURE INTO CHEESE NEXT WEEK AFTER WE PASS YOGURT THIS WEEK

Morning avocado with pear puree
Lunch brocoli and sweet potato or green bean and pumpkin
Dinner baby rice with brocoli, pumpkin, sweet potato or some combination
YOU ARE LUCKY YOU ARE GETTING VEGGIES IN MINE IS ALL ABOUT ORANGE VEGGIES

I think I might try your wheatbix breakfast and see if he likes that but I really want him to get into the veges and fruits first before doing so many carbs...when you say oatmeal...is that just normal oatmeal or special baby stuff?
ITS HAPPY BELLIES BABY OATMEAL IT BABY OATMEAL
If normal is it whole oatmeal flakes or is it kind of grinded more to a powder like consistency?

[Chicane]

Thanks Kaynay - much appreciated