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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2010, 13:58:23 pm »
Okay, I am starting to understand this a little better.  I guess I was under the impression that if they had an EW due to OT, then it was pointless to try to get them back down because sleep training would not work if OT (not sure where I picked that up).

So if he wakes say 10 hrs after bed, then I do shh/pat until when?  For an hour?  More? 

Is there a link somewhere about GW?  I'm not entirely sure how I would go about it if I BF.

I do trust you both...just trying to wrap my head around things yk?



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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2010, 17:15:45 pm »
I guess I was under the impression that if they had an EW due to OT, then it was pointless to try to get them back down because sleep training would not work if OT (not sure where I picked that up).

I think I heard that too and may have passed that info on. I think Tracy Hogg discouraged the use of PUPD when they EW. However, it's been so long since I've read this information I would have to double check that.

I don't know what to suggest for the EW :( Shush pat could work...it didn't work for my lo as it would stimulate her more and she would just go in and out of sleep until she was up for good (when she was very young).

Are you looking for this? http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0
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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2010, 18:37:07 pm »
I don't know where I heard it Sarah....but I think I might try it for a week or so, just to see.  Tough stuff, but at least I will have peace knowing I tried.

If you were in my shoes, at what point in the morning would you stop WI/WO and start the day? (assuming he doesn't ever go to sleep)  Maybe 6:00?

And thanks for the link - it was exactly what I was looking for :)



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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2010, 18:43:09 pm »
for me, when she was EW and would wake at 5something..I would start the day at 6am..and "start" her A time at this time as well. Then I stretched her to 8:45, 9 am...back when she was 6 and half - 7 months.

You sound so sad..you okay? It'll be okay..really. *hugs* A lot of babies go through this 2-1 silliness and it seems to even out when they start going on 1 nap consistently.
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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2010, 19:54:29 pm »
Hi there Carrie, it's not something that is easy to do, that's for sure, so wait until you are comfortable with it.  Remember this is a short time in his life so if you have to continue this prop until you feel ready, it's ok, really it is :-)

We didn't have a prop like feeding at the EW, we did a bottle for a very short time, but in the beginning we just ignored his waking and did nothing - lay in bed thinking 'why why why!'.  In hindsight, I wish I had tried GW to see if it would have helped him learn to go back to sleep, or even shush/pat.  Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't but as you say, at least you know you tried.

I am sure Asher is tired at the EW, as is Finn.  Now we just have 1 nap and a reasonable length night (10 hours most nights!), but I am always on the look out for some tweak or something that's going to get him sleeping longer at night. 

Your LO has slept longer before, and I believe he will again.  It's a blip right now, a hurdle to get over, a crazy transitional period as Sarah mentions.  It's about figuring out his day/night sleep balance.

It might be worth a post on the Toddler board at this point, I know your LO is young but he's 11 mths so close really and he's in the 2-1.  A lot on there have done GW and some broken the feed back to sleep bit.  It's a new set of eyes on the issue, routine and new perspectives will be offered.

Not abandoning you hon, just recommending that you post for some support as you go through this.  We never did GW so I am not sure what to expect or how long it may take realistically.  I don't think WI/WO is recommended when breaking this kind of prop.  But if you do a new post you will get some feedback. 

(((hugs)))

I honestly cannot remember exactly what Tracy wrote about EW but I do know that she always advises not to become a prop. 
The tweaking never stops!

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Re: 2:1 routine has a few kinks - 10 months...
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2010, 14:14:16 pm »
No I hear you, and I was considering posting on Toddlers sleep to get some more perspective. 

Life is like a rollercoaster right now - one day I'll be fine with the chaos, the next it seems PPD is on the rise and I'm about to go nuts with this vicious cycle.  I do hear that things get better after 2-1, but I don't see this EW problem going away on its own. 

I see each issue causing the next - EW causes nap issues, which cause BT battles, which cause EW....which makes for a chronically OT fussy baby and one tired mama.  Every day is the same in this regard and here I thought it would get easier the older they get.

Sigh.  I really do appreciate your support and help through this.  If anything, I have gained plenty of knowledge that I can pass on to the next mom in my shoes.

TY both - you've been so great and helpful.