Is a 5hr A time possible?

[Huds Mom]

Hi there, okay so I hope you dont think I am crazy but my just turned 10month old is doing a 5hr A time in the afternoon. This is three days now and I cant beleive it! I thought 4:30-4:40 was a lot! Here is his general easy over the last three days and some other info but I hope someone else has experienced this!

WU - 4am - try and get back to sleep - usually till about 5:30 (see below)

S:9:10 am (only this early due to issue above and sleeps about 1:20 - i try for a 4hr A so he doesnt use his am nap to make up for any loss NT sleep but have been trying to do a smaller A to help with the EW above)

S:3:30pm (sleeps for about 45 mins)

S: 6-6:15 BT (he has been going down within 2-2.5hrs of PM nap WU - which was usually pretty normal for him even before this).

He has always been an early riser since we dropped the CN a few months ago. He sleeps about 10.5-11hrs per night, 2-2:15 in the day time. The last 3 weeks have been a bit messed up due to teething, cold, cough and DST but making progress by moving the the BT up to help combat OT and get at least 10.5-11hrs sleep in him. He eats really well and has 3 bottles per day - about 21 ounces.

Let me know if anyone has any thoughts.

[jackman]

Carrie
It's me!!! And you know I'm no expert, but how is your son in the morn after the EW? Can he do a longer A time then to see if he'll take a solid 2-2.5hr nap and then just do BT early? I wonder if your lo is ready for one nap and alternate between 1 and 2 nap days to help control OT? It is just a thought and again I'm no expert as we are going thru the 2-1 ourselves. Our EWs subsided though once teething stopped. I hope someone with more experience pops over soon.    Also, have you tried to push your day out by 15min?

[Huds Mom]

Hey J - I love seeing you here cause you have helped me so much.

When he wakes at 4am he is not ready to get up, this is an issue we have been having due to teething and a cold and then DST but it is getting better. I do get him another 20-30min over an hour and a half which is torture but at least he is then getting a decent amt of sleep. Not enough but better than the 9hrs he was getting before. So in total he is getting 10.5hrs which was the same before all the craziness started. It was suggested that I cut his AM A time to try and bring his pm nap in so I can get an earlier BT to try and get more than 9hrs of sleep and so far it is working. Once I get him back to a solid 10.5-11hrs without an EW and then APOPing back to sleep I am going to try and push his day out a bit.

If he slept like most babies do from 7pm to 6am I think he would be on one nap with his long A times but he is such a darn early riser and always has been! Thank goodness I have been able to get to bed between 8-9pm otherwise I would be a complete mess! I start work in one month so I know a early BT for me will not be in the cards for much longer.

[sianie]

Hey Carrie...sorry you're still having a rough time!!

Sounds like there's quite a lot going on with your little guy.....E started EW when the clocks went back the other week too & it took just over a week for him to adjust, he was waking at 5am-ish & I just left him & he usually went back to sleep after 30/45 mins. What happens if you leave him to re-settle?

If it's teeth, have you tried doing a dream med?

His total day & night sleep seems really low.... do you think he could be OT from his naps which is leading to an OT EW (iyswim??!!) 

[Huds Mom]

Hey Sian, thanks so much for popping over. When he wakes I leave him until he starts whaling. Sometimes I have been able to APOP some sleep back in him but the most is 20-30min, which is better than nothing!!

Is it bad to say I dont know for sure if it is teeth or not? Since he was 4.5mons I thought these teeth were coming! He drools constantly and is always chewing on something. He has one that popped through about 3 weeks ago (the start of this mess) but he didnt seem anymore agitated than normal with his mouth. We were giving meds a ton and started to feel like it was too much so stopped so I dont think it has much imapct, although i was at the drs today about his cough and he said even though tylonel isnt a cough supresant (sp) there isnt any harm in giving it to him at BT to help him sleep.

His total sleep for sure is low, but only slighly lower than it has always been. For what seems like forever he was getting 10-5-11hrs at night and 2-3 during the day. Only a couple weeks prior to this happening i noticed 2-2:15hrs as opposed to 3hrs and we also had some huge A jumps but I dont think this is too abnormal. I do think though there is a bunch of OT in there as for the last 3 weeks we only were getting 9hrs or so a night so I think it built up. I just realized he needs a longer PM A but a short A till BT so for about 3 weeks I was doing a longer A before BT and realized that caused problems as he was still only getting 9hrs. At least he is going to bed earlier so for the most part I am getting 10hrs (with the exception of last night).

I am feeling like I am about to give up and just kind of go with the flow due to us going on vacation tomorrow for a week. I just still cant believe he is doing a 5hr A for a few days now and napping the same. Hopefully this isnt crazy and i am not making the OT worse but all 4 days he just woudlnt go to sleep earlier than that. I even started wind down early cause I knew I would need to fight a bit to get him to sleep.

Hope things are going okay with you.

[sianie]

I've always found teething hard to spot with both my 2 until I can se the tooth!!!

Sounds to me like there's just a lot of things going on for him at the same time which is throwing him off, 'tho from what you've said it does sound like he may naturally be an early riser....

If I were you, I'd just go with the flow from now on & whilst you're away & try to enjoy your trip as much as you can. Maybe taking a break from a set routine will actually help you to get things back on track once you get home....FX!!

Have a great holiday! 

[jackman]

Carrie - because I have been where you are and wish things would get better, I asked Sarah (EASY moderator) to take a look at your thread to see if maybe she could help (hope that is ok). She has been helping me the last few weeks. FX'd she'll have an idea on how to break this OT and EW cycle for you. 

Please do try to enjoy your vacay!

[Jiinx]

hey sweetie,
 When did your lo drop his catnap? I think 9 hours is more like a NW rather than EW which is just a bit earlier than usual..maybe an hour most. 9 hours is very little, even for a low sleep needs (and trust me, I've got one )...it sounds like something is troubling him?

 I do have some thoughts but I'm going to see how he does after he gets back from vacation. Is he going through time zones? I wouldn't change his routine too much while you're away

I hope you have a wonderful vacation.

[Huds Mom]

J  - of course thank you so much.

Sarah - thank you as well for popping over. Today was a rough one for me but I went for a long run even in the cold rain we have here in Ontario as I couldnt take it anymore!! It was that or a strong drink (but there is still time for that as well!).

We dropped the cat nap around 7.5mons so it has been a bit. Interesting  that it could be a NW and not an EW. I never thought of that.  I will pop back to this post in about 2 weeks as I will give him a few days after we get back from vacation. We are off to Vancouver so a 3hr time difference. I am praying that maybe I will get lucky and this trip will cause some developmental change and all of this will be over (ha ha, I will keep dreaming!!).

Take care and I hope all goes well with your LO's.