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Hi, I am hoping someone can help or at least provide some encouragement to DS and me. We have been on 3 hours EAS since about 6 weeks of age, then around when he was 3 months, he started sleeping less and less during naps and also eating less and less, so for about 3 last weeks we have been trying to transition to a 4 hour EAS. The E part went very smoothly, he eats every 4 hours and one DF. We aim to start the day at 7 AM, have two 2 hour naps and he also takes a 30 min catnap in the evening. After two weeks of clock watching and struggling, we do have something that resembles a routine, BUT things do not seem to work out for us very well. My DH says that I am a perfectionist, but I am the one spending 24/7 with the LO so I don't trust his opinion too much.:-)
here is our sleep problems: DS cries when he passes 40 min mark during day naps, he can settle himself back to sleep, but it takes him half an hour or even longer, so I pat him and try to help (sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't). He definitely needs long 2 hour naps, especially in the morning, because otherwise he is tired and passive. He is an angel baby with reflux on Zantac, so he doesn't really cry except for when he tries to settle himslef back to sleep. He goes down for naps very easily.
Another problem is with our night time sleep. We put him down at 7:30 p.m. (after about 2 hour A time) but he takes a long time settling down for sleep, the last few nights he even cried. Usually he is asleep at 8:00-8:15 p.m. I feed him at 10:30 (it's technically not a dream feed, because he wakes up, but he goes back to sleep promptly after eating). He wakes up at some time between 1:30 and 3:30 a.m. and puts himself back to sleep, after some 10 - 15 mins of fussying (every once in a while I offer him breast, but he only takes a few sucks and sleeps, so I assume he is not hungry). Then he wakes up at 5 a.m. and usually goes back to sleep (sometimes with a bit of patting from me), but after 5 a.m. he doesn't sleep very well - his deep sleep periods last about 15 mins and the rest he is fussying and puts himself back to sleep. He generally wakes up between 6:30 and 7 and I feed him right away.
So, I am wondering what I am doing wrong that he cannot pass his 40 min mark of sleep during the day time naps. Every once in while he sleeps for 1.5 hours without stirring (never 2 hours!), but I don't do anything different, at least nothing major. Also for the night time - why does he wake up between 1:30 and 3:30? It doesn't seem to be hunger... He sleeps in our room, maybe he wakes up from the sounds that we are making? I welcome any ideas and suggestions, I would love to get some Y time, because now I spend my days patting and shushing... Thanks a lot!
Our EAS looks like this:
7 (or 6:30 AM) E
7:15 A
8:50-9 S (I extend his nap twice)
11 E
11:15 A
1 p.m. S (I extned his nap twice)
3 p.m. E
3:15 A
Around 5 p.m. S
5:30 A
6:40 E
7:30 BT
8-8:15 S
10:30 DF

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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 21:58:38 pm »
bumping up the list for you
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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 23:00:12 pm »
Do you think his reflux is fully under control? Could his meds need adjusting for his new weight now he is older?
I know it is common for babies with reflux to wake at the end of a sleep cycle when they come into lighter sleep and become aware of the discomfort and then to need help getting back off.
If you think the reflux in under control have you considered wake to sleep to extend his naps? We used this at 4.5mo to extend my DS's naps from 45mins to 2hrs+. It worked miracles for us. If your DS can get in the habit of transitioning to the next sleep cycle for naps it might also help him do so at night. What do you think?
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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 16:28:42 pm »
Thatnks, Cadie's mum! I tried the wake to sleep several times, but was not very successful at that. I will try that again, thanks for suggestion - obviously the shush patting it not getting us very far - it's been four weeks now! How long did it take you to get your DS into habit of sleeping long naps?

In the last several days we actually have new developments - one day he skipped a catnap (fought tooth and nail against it), went to sleep at his usual time and slept without stirring until 7 AM. Perhaps he doesn't need two hour naps after all. I am trying to keep his morning nap a bit shorter, we will see where it goes. 

About reflux, it is getting worse! In the last several days he spits up more than he used to and he squirms and makes these horrible wet burps, even as long as three hours after eating. His Zantac dose was adjusted just three weeks ago and he doesn't cry per se, but he is definitely not comfortable. I try to feed him less, but he cries and I just cave in and let him fill himself up to his ears. I also have fast letdown and when he is angry or agitated it becomes very uncomfortable for him. I am really panicking now, because we had such a hard time to get it under control and I am not sure have energy to do it again...

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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2011, 21:05:40 pm »
I had to do the w2s for all naps in the cot for 2 weeks. We did a couple naps out in the buggy during that time which I didn't do it for. Then after the 2 weeks when I stopped he carried on sleeping past the 45min mark and started doing 2hr naps.
In what way was the w2s not successful? Did he wake fully when you stirred him or did he just still wake at 45mins?
I often find that one day of short naps can be handled with a long night but any more than 1 or 2 days like that and my DS would always get too OT and start having problems.
I think you definitely need to go back to the dr and let him/her know that the reflux is playing up again so they can adjust the meds or even try a different one. I have no personal experience of reflux but I know it is difficult to get good sleep while the LO is in discomfort.
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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 16:12:23 pm »
In what way was the w2s not successful? Did he wake fully when you stirred him or did he just still wake at 45mins?
About w2s - my problem is that he still wakes up at 40 mins. Several times I managed to get a 1.5 hr nap by doing w2s, but I can't repeat it. Also I am not sure when to do the w2s the second time, to get the third cycle out of him (past the 1.5 hr). Or do you only have to do it one time per a nap?

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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2011, 20:42:16 pm »
Did he stir out of deep sleep on those times it didn't work do you think or is it possible you didn't rouse him enough?
I never did it for a 2nd time the same nap so I'm not sure. Perhaps try 10mins before the 1.5hr?
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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 15:58:51 pm »
Sorry for disappearing - spring has finally started after a very long winter and we spend all our time outside. I think it helps sleeping as well. He was a bit better recently for naps - he still wakes up at 40 mins, but promptly puts himself back to sleep. I guess I will never get the W2S technique, sojust hoping that he will learn to sleep long naps on his own. Thanks for your help!

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Re: HELP! 4 months old, frequent wakings during naps and at night
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 22:07:34 pm »
If he is putting himself back to sleep that is great and you have no need for w2s at the moment. He should learn to just sleep through the 40mins without waking. As long as he is getting a decent length of nap in total that is the main thing.
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