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Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« on: November 11, 2011, 20:56:06 pm »
We have been having some very rough mights due to teething molars and dst. ds has been unable to settle himself back to sleep during the night over the last week and waking fairly often. Clocks went back last saturday which didn't help and this moved his wu time to 4:30ish. We also found one new molar 2 days ago and i think he's got another one coming. I am medicated but he is still waking. Unlike in the past he will cry for long periods. I have occasionally nursed him in the night and this seems to soothe him. I can put him back down awake. But I am VERY about this becoming a habit.

Right now it is 3:45 and he is asleep in my arms. He woke this morning at 4:12  :o :o :o and would not go back to sleep. He refused to nap at daycare, but he's been happy all day. Got him home and nursed him as is the habit and he conked. Am planning on giving him 20 minutes then aiming for bt just before 6??? Does this sound right?

He falls asleep independently but has been crying ore lately, and has been on 1 nap for about 3 months now.

I don't know what else to do to improve his sleep.
Becky,
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 21:13:58 pm »
Hi sweetie what's the routine like nowadays? His napping got better at daycare didn't it?
Feel a bit of a fraud suggesting anything tbh as dd2's sleep is so appalling right now ::)
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 21:29:54 pm »
Hi Charli,

He was napping better at daycare for a few days (in spite of bad nights) but the last couple of days it has only been for 1 hr. His routine is generally

wu 5:30
nap 12-1:30
bt 6-6:30

With dst I was slowly trying to shift his sleep but at daycare she kept to the same nap time so he did that on Tuesday and did 1.5 hrs.

He's having dinner now at 4:30 and is very grumpy. Think I will be aiming for closer to 5 for BT. I would be happy with a 5am wu at this point!
Becky,
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Please help!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2011, 13:56:41 pm »
Okay so he was asleep by 5:17 and actually went down fairly easily with just a little protest crying for 5 minutes or so. And he slept through!!! Till 4:35  ::). But I didn't hear him cry out or anything all night and he woke chatting. Only started to whine at about 5.

So, I am really wondering if this is a timing thing (i.e., he really wants a super early schedule right now) or teeth. Probably both, but I feel like I will never get him to a decent time for BT and wu.

I am pretty sure he will get 3 decent naps in this weekend so hoping this will help things but who knows...
Becky,
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2011, 20:11:00 pm »
Hey that's a good night despite the super EW hey! Is there any chance you can have a long am and a pm cn tomo? Attempt a later b/t Sun and shift his day forward a little...?
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 00:38:43 am »
I am so nervous about trying for 2 naps because I had so many days during the 2-1 where he would only take 1, even if it was only for 20 minutes in the morning.

Anyway, I did try to get him down a little early for his nap today and it wasn't as early as I had hoped. He was a bit wound up when I put him down but there was no crying and he was asleep by 12:05 and slept for 2 hours.

I wasn't going to risk too late a BT (as I have done that before at this stage - assumed he's caught up and put him down slightly later only to have it backfire) So he was in bed by about 5:50, but played around till 6:20 or so. Again no crying so I am hoping for a decent night with a slightly later wu. Part of me does fear another 4:30 wu which will again mean only about 10 hrs sleep. So, my fingers and toes are crossed tonight.
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Please help!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 16:07:58 pm »
Okay, so I really think we have a 24hr routine problem. After falling asleep at 6:20 last night he woke at 11:30 (and had to be resettled with more meds and bf but fell back to sleep on his own). Then he was up for the day again at 4:35. I can't shift his wu time later even with a later BT. So now he only had 10 hrs sleep and I will be trying for an early nap (11:30/45 ish) in hopes he takes another long one, but even if he wakes at 2, he ends up with NWs if he's asleep after 6.

This afternoon we are going to visit my parents and I can never get home before 6, so he will have another 'late' BT, so I am expecting we will be in for more NWs and another 4:30 am WU.

Any ideas on how to break this cycle?
Becky,
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 23:44:53 pm »
Gonna get more eyes on this xx
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 23:49:59 pm »
Thanks Charli. So he took a 2hr 20min nap today, waking at 2:15. He was in bed by 6:15 which was later than I wanted. Anyway, he had been quiet for about 15 minutes, but stirring. I went in to fix his bedding etc., as I always do at night and he wasn't totally asleep  ::). Woke and cried so not asleep till closer to 6:45. I know for most 16 mo's this would not be a problem but I am kicking myself now and anticipating another bad night.
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 23:51:30 pm »
Urgh that would be a disaster for my 16mo too!! Great nap tho, I guess he's catching up a bit at home hey?
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 02:23:12 am »
I know I'm constantly on here but this is just driving me nuts and I guess I just need to vent. I don't know if now we have a props issue or what is going on. He just woke at 9:10pm, just over 2 hrs after going to sleep and dh has gone in although he is not happy to have dh go in these days. Is it that he is now crying for the boob? It is still not a nightly thing and he never nurses to sleep or back to sleep during the night....

Anyway, I think that now that I am back at work and life is so so busy, I just feel such a huge feeling of dread when he wakes at night. I feel like we are sliding back to where we were the first year, which was a pretty scary place when it came to nighttime.

DH did manage to settle him this time, even though he hasn't for over a week. We are going to go back to having dh put him down after I nurse him and hopefully he will be more receptive to dh resettling him if it is necessary.
Becky,
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Re: Sleep going down the tubes. Plese help!
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 07:20:11 am »
Hi, I was just wondering about the pain, my dd would also wake in the middle night and be hard to settle when teething but we discovered that if we gave the pain meds before the last lot had worn off by dreamfeeding them with a bit of milk the pain would not get to the stage of not being able to get back to sleep. It is like when I have period pains when I go to sleep, if they are mild and I skip the piankillers they can wake me in the night and if I then take meds, they can take ages to kick in and take the edge off, but if I take them before sleeping I will probably sleep through. Also remember that even if teething pain has calmed down a bit by the early hours even a niggley pain could be keeping DS awake because he has had most of his sleep, I used to set my alarm for around 4am and give dream meds, if you try this and he sleeps longer then you know it is teething, if he is still waking then you know it is routine.

When my dd went to one nap she only ever used to sleep about an hour so we catnapped for a while, just 20 mins 4 hours after wake up, in the pushcair walking around the streets! When it started getting dark early I just put her to bed instead, she often went to bed between 4.30 and 5pm and would sleep through until 7ish! Until this year her bedtime at 4 years was still 5.30pm and now she goes to bed around 6pm. Sometimes even what seems like an EB just isn't early enough when a LO is OT and most LOs need shorter A times when sleeping anyway so OT can build up very quickly.

I just read that you are anck at work, does this mean you are with DS less? If so he may well be missing you so wanting the boob at night, just a thought  :-*
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 17:44:46 pm »
Thanks for your reply Katt. I definitely think that some of it is pain. That second molar is still not through yet, but this morning I could see that it's about ready to come through. I will try the dream feed for the meds tonight.  

Not sure about the boob and SA. He has settled down much better at daycare now (he's been going since early Sept). But I do think he may be starting to expect it. I think in some way it soothes him when his gums hurt.

Anyway, last night we have 3 NWs. The first 2 dh was able to settle him but I went in the third time just before 3am and gave him meds and a bit of BF (can't avoid it if I go in right now  ::)), and he slept till 5:30 which is a bit better. He did sleep till 6 one day last week and taht was also after a 3am BF and meds.

Anyway, he's down for his nap now and will have a slightly earlier night tonight. Wow - 5pm bedtimes and 7am wu sounds like heaven!
Becky,
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