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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2012, 01:31:50 am »
Okay....so we have a few new things going on.  First, I've had to stop swaddling LO's legs because the other night I found him on his tummy for the first time.  He's now doing this constantly.  I left his legs out last night and ended having to go in to flip him about 4 or 5 times.  He's good for the first chunk, but then he's constantly flipping and can't get comfortable enough to fall asleep.  He woke at 5am this morning and tried for an hour to get himself back to sleep....but ended up completely frustrated and unable to calm down.  Poor guy....he just started doing so well and now this.  It's also making my heart stop and causing me to wake up hourly to look at the video monitor.  He keeps turning and rolling and every time I look he's nearly face down in a corner of the crib :(  We've had to put bumper pads in because he's moving around so much and bonking his head (wish I could show you the pic I took of him - I can;t seem to upload any).  I'm sleeping the worst I ever have now.

Secondly, he did a 1.5 hr nap yesterday all on his own...AMAZING!  The thing is....I know it's because he managed to keep the paci in his mouth through the 45 min transition.  The only times he has done a longer nap has been when the paci was still in there during the transition.  So what do we do?  He only uses the paci for naps....he's fine at night without it, but seems to need it to go down on his own for naps.  The only way it stays in is if he falls asleep head looking straight up and stays that way.  Well...that doesn't happen often.  So what should I be doing?  This proves he can do the longer nap....so should I be getting rid of the paci now?

Lady...I feel you on the having to do all the nights.  My DH is working 7 days straight (after going back from vaca) and it's really hard.  We're currently on day 3 of 7 :(  Hopefully your LO will just be sleepy from the shots...and it will make things a little easier.  My LO actually had a fever for just over a day...so he was on tempra and it was sooo sleepy.  He was only awake maybe an hour at a time.

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #121 on: January 09, 2012, 21:45:05 pm »
We got home from our doctor visit and LO is currently 1:45 into a nap. If I remember correctly from last time, he should be waking up soon and will begin screaming from soreness. Last time I nursed him and then he went back to bed for 9 straight hours LOL. If he goes back to sleep I am going to try to go with him, even though it's only 3pm.

Also, doc says to introduce rice cereal...he thinks with the amount of times I'm feeding LO  and the fact that he can barely go 3 hours b/t feedings is signaling that he might be ready. What do you think? Also, LO has already developed stranger anxiety!! He cried as soon as doc picked him up (this was before the trauma of shots). Doc says this is rare in a 4 month old, and that he is a very observant and precocious little boy. HAHA! I told him he is definitely not fitting into the mold of a "typical" baby. I hope this doesn't mean he is going to give me hell when he's a teenager. :P

Annnnnnyway, LO is still waking up frequently at night. But is extending 1-2 naps a day pretty regularly. We're down to 4 naps a day but sometimes he still wakes up 30m-1h after BT, which drives me crazy!

DH is on day 5 of 6 days straight working evenings. Kim, I hope you can get your nights sorted and get some sleep! I know I am a zombie today....

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2012, 19:19:09 pm »
I don't want to jump in on your conversation, but I just read this whole thread and I swear my baby is related to yours.  He will be 4 months on the 14th but was born a week late so he hits things one week early.  Anyway, I have totally been living this drama too!  I swear I almost had to check the names to make sure it wasn't me posting in some form of sleepy haze.

Anyway, I'll add my two cents of what I'm finding works for me.  Some is just for sanity.

1.  I read this: http://www.askmoxie.org/2010/04/qa-naps-at-around-3-months.html
and it helped me see big picture a little and relax a bit.  I have to reread it often.

2.  I put my favorite mushy songs like "you're gonna miss this" by trace adkins on my ipod and listen to it while nursing.  reminds me to stop and enjoy this despite the craziness.

3.  I often say screw the EASY and just try hard to not feed to sleep.  I actually like EASAY cause it doesn't build an "eat right when i get up" association.

4.  I stick to every three hour feeds between the hours of 8am and 7pm, i don't care when he sleeps, he isn't eating sooner than that during those hours unless for some very strange reason he is hungry, which is rare. 

5.  i got over the 40 minute naps.  once a day, usually for the 9am nap, i will go in with pacifier and try to extend.  if i get him to, great!  but that is all i'll do unless i'm in a stellar mood.  it is just too frustrating.

6.  i don't put him to bed until 9pm, last feed is at 8:30pm.  he then gets up around 3 and 5 or 6am and i treat those as night feeds.  i used to put him to bed earlier and he fought it and tended to wake up too early and not go back down. 

7.  i don't let him cry too much when he wakes up or when he goes down.  otherwise he starts to associate the crib and soothing process with misery and cries when it even starts.  i keep it positive and if he is melting down from OT I will walk around with him to "reset" his emotions a little.  i don't force it.

8.  If we get into an overtired rut, I put him in the Ergo and vacuum and let him sleep for a long time to catch up.   I generally don't put him to bed early when OT, i just force a long nap in the carrier.  when things start going bad after a long weekend/holiday, it is in the ergo to catch up on sleep.

9.  when he wakes up crying, i let him sort it out for a couple minutes, he'll chill a little sometimes and then I come in with a wake up party.  very smiley talking about a great nap.  he cheers up quick.  then his A time is no more than 2 hours, sometimes 1.5 for the next nap.

also, i hate hate hate the last (4th) nap.  it is always a struggle and the source of many meltdowns (for me and him)  haven't figure out how to manage it yet, he doesn't fall asleep in swings.

hope some of that helps.  and hope you don't mind me joining your thread!

oh and i also love my soothing process- sitting forward in a recliner, no rocking, with pacifier and sound machine.  the sound machine is KEY.  he gets sleepy when he just hears it.  he used to only sleep on me and it is how i broke him of it.  that and kenny g. :)

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #123 on: January 12, 2012, 01:26:38 am »
Hi Ellen!  Please...you are welcome to join our thread.  I find just typing and having people to relate to helps.  So funny that you brought up the 4th nap battles.  I just had a TERRIBLE 4th nap battle today.  I knew it was going to happen too.  If it ends up having to start anywhere after 4pm...I know I'm in trouble.  I usually end up having to APOP by having him either sleep on me or sometimes I can bring him downstairs and he'll fall asleep on the couch. 

Our entire day was actually a mess.  We've gone from regular 40 min naps to 30 min naps :( but usually he goes down really easy now. Paci in and we're good to go.  Today...he kept pushing the paci away and then he would just get get ticked off when he couldnt fall asleep without it.  He's also sleeping on his tummy now at night...but can't seem to do it during his naps.  He was rolling all over today but just kept crying when he landed on his tummy.  I just kept saying to him WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME???? Ahhhhh...lol.  So I don't know what the hell was up with today. I know I need to get rid of the paci for naps....but every time I try he screams bloody murder.  Don't know what to do.

We use a sound machine too...love it!  It's a great sleepy cue. 

How's your LO at night?

LADY - hubby home today?  Mine is home tomorrow..I can't wait for a break.  7 nights alone is a long time!!!!  Rice cereal at 4 months...kind of young, no?  My dr suggested trying a bottle of formula just before BT's to see if it would keep his tummy full longer. I didn't like the idea myself.  I actually thought that my LO needed to feed more than he does...because he was waking up so often, but now that he can put himself to sleep he's only waking once a night over 12 hours so he was clearly crying because he didn;t know how to go to sleep not because he was hungry.

How is w2s working for you these days?  Our naps are getting worse and worse :(

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #124 on: January 12, 2012, 02:55:50 am »
I don't know if I've ever had a successful 4th nap.  based on bedtime of 9pm i need it to happen around 6 and it never does with no amount of APOP.  he has never fallen asleep in swings so they were not the godsend everyone said they'd be.  i think the 4th nap is just biologically not right.  but, it is necessary to get to my 9pm bedtime.  which is necessary to avoid missing his long sleep period. 

at night he is okay, sometimes varies by the week.  right now we have him asleep at 9pm and he is up around 2 or 3 and 6 for feeds then up for good at 7:15 and I feed him at 8.

I can usually get through the day mentally if i don't try to extend naps too much, but that 4th nap often turns me into a puddle.

oh and we just had a week of paci issues.  he has learned to pull it out and this facinates him, but then he gets mad that it is out.  hopefully soon he will put the two together and stop pulling it out on himself.  we actually have to keep one arm swaddled just to try and keep it under control.

i would definitely try giving yours a day of full sleep however you can get it to see if being fully rested helps solve the 30 minute nap issue.  maybe once he is caught up it will be better.  how is the first nap of the day?  any better than the rest?

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #125 on: January 12, 2012, 07:07:26 am »
It appears that the original question regarding short nap extension and independent sleep has been addressed now and this thread is getting a little off topic . This makes it difficult for new posters looking for answers.  It is also unlikely anyone new will pop on with answers regarding the original question. 

If you wish to chat with Mamas of LOs of a similar age, please find the age appropriate group in the Birth Clubs 0-18mths  If you have a specific question about any other related issues., please start your own thread on the relevant board.

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #126 on: January 12, 2012, 21:55:24 pm »
Ellen actually just joined and had some input towards the nap issues, but I guess we can take our conversations to a diff thread.

Ellen & Lady - if either of you would like to continue chatting...let's start a thread in the above noted group. Let me know.

Thanks for all of your help.

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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2012, 01:22:07 am »
Yeah let's!



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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2012, 04:43:17 am »
Feel free to start a new thread ladies, or even to PM each other if you want general support and to chat. W just have to be careful on threads when they start to get too long and move from the specific question onto more general talk around the issues KwIM....sorry to be such a PiTA :(  :-*
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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2012, 00:53:25 am »
So we just start a new thread in the 0 - 18 month club and we can chat back and forth there?

Lady and Ellen - I will start a thread there.  Looking forward to more chats....I have updates!

Started one....it's called 4 - 6 months old: Naps & Nights (under EASY forum - 0 - 18 month birth clubs)
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Re: Sooooooo many naps....PLEASE HELP
« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2012, 06:39:46 am »
Sorry I must have confused you, you just post in the birth clubs in the appropriate age group. Here is your one ... You just join in. http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=223444.0

Feel free to PM each other, or if you have an updated issue you want advice or support on you can post on the appropriate sleep board
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