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Offline my3girlsjde

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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2012, 03:30:33 am »
Ok, I've read through and I just can't shake that he's not in discomfort. And I'm sure you know me by now I think everything is related to food ::)

Have you watched his behaviour when he's sleeping? Is he still? More importantly if he's still, is he squirming before he wakes as if he's in discomfort? This was a dead giveaway with E. Have you looked for apnea? I know with OT it is a bit hard to tell a lot from sleep behaviours because I think they're more prone to jolt awake.

E didn't sttn (and by that I mean a six or seven hour stretch) until 14 months. She did nap though so at least I had that. What we didn't know then that we do now was that through all of my strict ED and not so strict ED we were missing the wheat. I know that's what was going on because the constant wheeze quit and the sleep started. At 23 months we have had I think 6 sttn's from 7pm-7am. So I get it.

We used to joke that E was Gizmo from the Gremlins movie way back in the 80's. If I bf'd her anytime after midnight, she was up all night. And I mean ALL NIGHT LONG, every hour and she just wouldn't lie down. And when she would finally lie down it had to be on me. I could never shake the feeling that something was up. Once I weaned the NF's, her nights got drastically better and down to only one NW on a good night.

I think and I'm sure you know you're in a massive OT loop too :( I'm surprised the APOP'ing in the sling didn't work for you, but not so much the car. My girls have always been hit or miss when they're uncomfortable in the van. With E, there were a lot of trips to the park where she passed out in the Ergo and the girls had a two hour session playing there. I gave up trying to lie her down after a while because she caught up on so much being upright.

Gotta love when Dr's and Paed's say that some kids just don't like sleep. I would understand that a bit more if the child was a bit more cheery. I don't think this is the case here. But it's so hard to find :(

Lots of hugs to you. I understand your frustration.
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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2012, 07:56:34 am »
Thanks for your thoughts vicky.
I don't know where else to go with food. We cut dairy and soy for months and I cut wheat for weeks too but still loads of nws. He has no other signs either like wheeze, skin, poops etc.
I will have to look again how he wakes as I am usually asleep myself. Atm I would say he starts crying in his sleep while still and then starts getting up as he wakes and cries more. I have listened to his breathing and sometimes I have to open my mouth to hear it but there is no snoring or gasping etc. Did you find with your girls it was evident when they were younger?
I tend not to feed him until 4 or 5 when he has woken lots in the night. Usually like nw4 in 2hrs when I get desperate. He settles fairly quick with a pd or 2 now maybe a few min mantra crying.
He rarely sleeps in the moby wrap now. I think he is too big to sleep comfortably now at 11kg. The car is usually a sure thing for him. It wasn't a long journey though.

Last night he woke 2x by 9ish, 11.30, 1, 4.45 and 5.40 before up for the day. He is grumpy already. It is his birthday tomorrow and I am tempted to cancel his party as I am too tired. I know he will be fine with so much distraction though. Maybe turning one will be the magic sttn cure...


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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2012, 10:58:22 am »
I have been reading along as we are in exactly the same position.  DD is 9 months and has never anywhere near sttn.  Most nights 3/4/5 nw's, but some have been 20.  Last night I got 3 hours sleep.  Routine seems to make no noticeable difference - she had the same rubbish nights after a day of two lovely long naps and then a day where we went to a wedding and she had an A time of 9 hours  :o ::).  I cannot think of anything but discomfort which can be doing this.  I don't think it's pain as such, rather something enough to disturb her sleep so that she struggles to get back without feeding.  She's on reflux meds and is dairy/soy free (and I've been on an ED since she was a few weeks old).

I'm going to start my own thread but just wanted to say hi and that I empathise! (((((((()))))))
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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2012, 11:34:01 am »
Thanks Claire. Sorry to hear you are in the same boat. It is hard eh? Feel free to link your thread. Maybe I will get some ideas too.

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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2012, 01:18:33 am »
Honey I am jumping in again because we were SO alike with our LOs and last week we managed to crack it. Bloody hard couple of months this has been (and before - hes never slept well!) but we've managed to get him to 11 hours and I cant actually believe we go there. Its not consistent yet - but its better than nothing. I'll even take the 5.30 WUs as a payoff in the meantime.....

We had a crap week of me going in and not giving into him (ie feeding!) but I did rock etc and I think after a few REEEEEALLY hard nights he just figured it wasnt worth it anymore. It was awful, but I think he got the message.

I never believed we'd get there, and I wanted to say to you to hang in there because suddenly, when you least expect it, things can brighten. And don't discredit what getting older and wiser does for our babies - they are developing mentally and able to handle more or understand way better than when we first started sleep training!!

I hope that is a tiny wee bit inspiring and not showy-offy (because no doubt a tooth will come along next week and we'll be in dire straits again!!)
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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2012, 06:59:29 am »
Thanks Louise. Always good to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I hope it continues for you.

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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2012, 11:03:19 am »
We put her to sleep on her front last night for the first time and she only woke twice rather than 10+!!!  I just wanted to post in case you hadn't tried it.  I feel comfortable putting her down on her tummy now she is so mobile x
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Re: Crying to sleep
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2012, 12:37:05 pm »
Baligh has turned 1yo now so we've shipped him off to the Sleeping for Toddlers board :) The OP has a new thread http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=229432.0 running now so I will lock this one. Anyone with advice please pop over to the new thread. Thanks.
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