2-1 help please!

[FPT23]

I'll keep ths short. I'm back after conquering 3-2 transition mths back, here I am again w 2-1!

My son is officially rejecting 1 nap.

It's been a week of the same pattern: long morning nap, complete refusal of afternoon nap...with very very EBT but very EW of 5:00am n not very happy n I'm over it!

Current EASY:

E
A
S 8:45-10:30/11:00

Refuses 2nd nap. Completely.

BT at 5:30/6:00. Dead asleep.

EW  have been an issue n hope to change tht ASAP before our clocks go back an hr!

Help please. Info on this tradition would be nice too. Thank u ladies 

[FPT23]

And may I add.....SUPER DUPER OT w this change.

:-/

[becj86]

Ok, so some people cap the morning nap at 30mins or so and cross their fingers for a long PM nap so you're still getting two naps...

Others just bite the bullet and go to one nap which you seem to be doing at the moment. I think if you stick with one nap, you need to push the first A time a bit further - to more like 4.5hr otherwise yes, you will end up with OT at BT and things will probably spiral from there.

5am may be early, but its not technically an EW, as he has slept an 11hr night. You'll have to push BT later if you want a later WU.

[FPT23]

Ok but I can't ever seem to get a later BT bc he's skipping his pm nap. I wish for a later WU! Yes technically it's not an EW but it's early for all of us. Unreasonable. 

I don't want to bite the bullet and just do 1 nap bc he's clearly not ready and he's very OT frm several days of this now. A few days ago he actually took a 1hr 2nd nap but was still a wreck by 5:00pm.

My experience frm 30 min morning naps is a 1hr pm nap and it doesn't seem to be enough. Still having to do EBT. I dust can't do 5am anymore and pushing hs BT with short naps or skipped naps doesn't sound like it would wrk him bc he's very sensitive to OT.

If I cap his morning nap... What time would I pd for his nxt nap? He's usually asleep by 9:00am... So if I cap at 9:30 so to say, his nxt nap would still be early around 1:00 and still making it for an EBT.

Hes so OT that 3.5 AT is pushing him to as reaming disaster.....he knocks out during wind dwn at BT, he's so tired and he's cranky

[Papaya]

If you want to push out the WU, you need to put down for the first nap later - a long early nap will be perpetuating the early starts (as Bec says, not EWs, just early!) They are not unreasonable for him - he has had a full night's sleep.

I would start by putting him down for the morning nap no earlier than 9am. Cap at 30 mins and aim for pm nap after about 3 hours (keep an eye out for his cues - it may take a few days to get the right A time here). So something like:

WU: 5
nap: 9 - 9.30
nap: 12.30 - 2/2.30
bed: 6.30

Hold for a few days, then push first nap to 9.15 (and rest of day by 15 mins also). Then to 9.30. You should see the WU creep later as well.

What do you think?

I'm also shifting this post over to Sleeping for Toddlers, as your LO is over 12 months

[FPT23]

Oh ok sorry. The new toddler age is new to me.

[FPT23]

Yea I have actually been pushing his morning nap. I'm aiming for 9:00 come Monday.

Can u tell me how this transition generally is going to be? Am I going to keep pushing the AT in the morning high and higher and keep capping at 30mins until we reach 12:30-1:00? Or how will it be? I figured the morning nap was going to shorten on its own but guess not. Lol.

Well today he FINALLY took a afternoon nap! I think bc all the OT and "EW" have crept in. But he did refuse it for sometime. Do I still try this out?

Ur plan sounds reasonable to me

[Papaya]

Have you seen these links about the 2-1?

10/ 11mo sleep gone wonky? Read this first!
from 2 to 1 nap - how, when and the bumps

I would still start doing a capped am nap now to help push out your WU.

If you're capping the morning nap, you don't really need to push it much later - as A times increase, you can cap further to 20 mins and pull the pm nap earlier. This is the one that will become your long midday nap. Eventually you drop the morning catnap, put down at around 11 and hope for one nice long nap!

There's a support thread here: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 5

[FPT23]

I see. So do u think capping at 30mins or start at 45?

How do I help him catch up frm OT during this transition?

What if he starts refusing the morning nap? N pushes it. He did tht today, oddly.

HOPE for one long nap lol. Ayyy. What if he doesn't have a long nap (of at least 1.5hrs right?), would I bring up his BT. I feel like unless his BT is early he'll keep a EW

[becj86]

How do I help him catch up frm OT during this transition?

A longer night - EBT, usually - was the way we had to go to catch up OT.

What if he starts refusing the morning nap? N pushes it. He did tht today, oddly.

Then his A time probably needs an increase before the nap... what is his A time to that morning nap at the moment? And how old is he now?

[FPT23]

He's 1yr.

And he's up by 5:00am n hes asleep by 9:00

[becj86]

So I'd then do as Nuala suggested:

start by putting him down for the morning nap no earlier than 9am. Cap at 30 mins and aim for pm nap after about 3 hours (keep an eye out for his cues - it may take a few days to get the right A time here). So something like:

WU: 5
nap: 9 - 9.30
nap: 12.30 - 2/2.30
bed: 6.30

Hold for a few days, then push first nap to 9.15 (and rest of day by 15 mins also). Then to 9.30. You should see the WU creep later as well.

If he refuses the nap at 9, is he still wanting to play? My DS had A times up around 5hr at 12 months, I recall and he's high sleep needs... so maybe try again at 9:30 or APOP a nap around then to get his body used to sleeping then and try again for the PM nap in his cot.