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27 month old, bedtime in shreds, help!
« on: May 04, 2014, 21:51:02 pm »
Hi!

Our little man has been going through a difficult patch for the last 3 months, having turned two, acquired a new baby sister and teething his 2nd molars as well. Usually he's a great sleeper and an angel at bedtime but recently everything seems to have gone to pot (not eating, epic tantrums, dummy addiction, everything is "no")  and bedtimes and also some nap times are now a nightmare.

Our normal BT routine is simple: Once washed, done teeth, jammies on etc, go upstairs and get in bed. Sing a short lullaby with the lights off, kisses goodnight and walk out. He always goes to sleep happily by himself, with the exception of teething/ill times. Now he's discovered the light switch as well as a newfound desire to do nothing we ask and everything we don't want him to do. As soon as we walk out the room, he's out of bed, puts on the light and starts kicking the door (the latch is too high for him to open). We've been going back in, switching off the light, saying "sleep time now", putting him back in bed and walking out again. Some times I've had to do this 10 times before he'll stay in bed and go to sleep. bedtimes are worse than nap times, although we've had some tough NT's too. I've had so much success with pu/pd when he was younger and also whenever our routine's been busted over the last year, that I was kind of expecting this strategy to work too. It hasn't however. Are we going about this in the wrong way or should we just ride it out? I have a feeling he's teething his final set of molars but we can also throw new baby jealousy and generally being two into the mix, so it's hard to know exactly what's causing it. He just seems like a complete emotional wreck at the moment. He's only ever had his dummy for sleep times but since the baby arrived two month ago, he's been wanting it in the daytimes and often cannot seem to manage without it. He'll spend an hour in a heap of tears on the floor, pining for his dummy.

To add further confusion to it all, I have to admit I have allowed our once-rigid routine to slip somewhat in the last couple of months. I've loosened up on naptimes to allow us to join in with more play dates, and his bedtime, which was always 7:30 sharp, is often now 8-8:30ish as Daddy likes to see him when he gets in from work.

Here are our before and after routines:

Routine for the past year. He always did well on this:

w/u 7am
nap 11:30am for up to 3 hours
b/t 7:30pm

Routine since February:

w/u anywhere between 6-7:30am
nap anytime between  11:30-2, for up to 3 hours
b/t 8-8:30pm but might not actually go to sleep until 9-10 if he decides to play up.

Do you think the slack routine has caused all the other troubles, including the irrational, irritable behaviour and sleep refusal, or is it more likely to be the other things i.e. teething, new baby, being two that have caused the sleep problems? I feel like we're all in a muddle!

I'd like to do some sleep training with him again but I'm not sure which is the best method to use now he's two, in a big-boy-bed and can switch the light on! I'm also not sure if I should do any sleep training at all, in view of the fact that he could well be teething. The trouble, is, this has been going on for a couple of months and we're all exhausted. We don't get much time together in the evenings and most of it is spent sitting in the dark, waiting for him to go to sleep when our other tactics have failed to work. 

Help! We would love some advice on how to get a two year old back on track. Or do we need to just ride this one out? I feel worried about him at the moment as he seems like an emotional wreck most of the time, despite my best efforts to keep things normal with the arrival of the new baby. He's permanently on edge and breaks down at the slightest thing. Every activity in the day, be it getting showered, dressed, eating meals, getting out the door, has become a massive mountain to climb and involves endless negotiations, bribes and tantruming. Arrrg! What to do.....??!

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Re: 27 month old, bedtime in shreds, help!
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 08:33:34 am »
First up I'd push the nap later and cap it at 2 hrs. He's likely playing up because he isn't tired ;)

So try a nap 5.5-6 hrs after WU then BT 4.5/5 hrs after nap WU.

You may find there's other things going on too as you say, teeth and developmental stuff but this should help with getting the day/nights back on track. What do you think?
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Re: 27 month old, bedtime in shreds, help!
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 11:55:47 am »
Hi,

At this age we had sleep shenanigans - largely down to developmental stuff (language explosion as it turned out) and teeth. However, I agree with Sara re: pushing your nap out and capping it. If it is developmental or teeth, you won't be helped by an early and long nap as you have it currently. R (my DD) borders on HSN (at at least did at this age!) and her day looked something like this:

WU: 6.30-45
Nap: 12.30 (capped at 2h)
BT: 7pm (asleep by 7.10/15)

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Re: 27 month old, bedtime in shreds, help!
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 13:48:39 pm »
Thanks  both of you, we will give the later shorter nap a go for a few days. Any ideas how long it takes for a routine change to take effect at this age? I'm rusty as it's so long since we had to make any changes. I've always let him nap as long as he likes and has never affected his BT before but maybe it's time for a change. He has always gone in cycles i.e. he'll have a week of 1.5-2hr naps then a week of 3hr naps, it's like it's cumulative! He has been through a massive growth and developmental spurt in the last month though, outgrown all his clothes and started to talk in sentences a bit too. He feels like a completely different child to the one we had before xmas. It might sound strange but now I think about it, it actually all started when he had a really nasty virus in December. He seemed to flick a switch overnight and his temper and patience levels just hit rock bottom. Couldn't even get him out of the house for a couple of weeks, he just point blank refused to go out and just lay on the floor screaming til he was blue in the face whenever we attempted an outing. He ended up spending two weeks in front of the telly with his dummy and a blanket as he couldn't handle anything more active. Since then, he's been "terrible two" with a vengeance, with the odd week of respite thrown in where we see our little angel child back again! The rest of the time his behaviour has been challenging to say the least. 

Also what's HSN short for please? been trying to work it out!

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Re: 27 month old, bedtime in shreds, help!
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 18:42:47 pm »
HSN = high sleep needs

I tend to give any change 3days to one week to bed in before deciding if it's working or not. Also because R has a tendency to get OT quite quickly intend to move the nap in 15min increments - so for you 11.45 in the 1st instance, hold for three days and then increase again by 15m. Rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be.

IME as they get older the day does start robbing from NTS. I found with R when I started to cap the day, if she needed to catch up she'd tack on to the night. Maybe your LO will be the same

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