15mo - routine disappeared - NW + SER!

[labrodyk]

So we did a sleep at 12.55 (10 mins later than usual but a 7hr A time!!!).  Nap was 2 hours which was longer than usual but I'm unsure if his behaviour all afternoon was a touch on the OT side?

The last 2 days we've barely had a tantrum. This afternoon was tantrums over everything (including where he wanted to have dinner) which resulted in not a single bite to eat. I wasn't so concerned with that aspect but rather he danced, ran around, squealed like a maniac and was EXTREMELY hyperactive. Could have been a coincidence I suppose...

BT I kept at 7 just to ensure we didn't go over a 13hr day.

[labrodyk]

Just keeping a running commentary for myself if anything...

Night was restless with quite a few moans and call outs (9,9.45,11,4) before chatting at 6.48!

The hard thing is that the same dinner debacle I had yesterday was EXACTLY the same today. He was happy all morning then around 12 he started giving me these lovely hugs and kisses (highly unusual, but awesome). He was happy to hop into his booster chair but then immediately wanted to get off and started tantrumming. Tried to ignore it but then he took my hand to his bedroom and seemed to try and tell me he wanted to go to bed! I have up on lunch (not a single bite) but he basically whinged and was upset over everything (not enough pages in the book?!).

Nap : 12.55
Will see what the nap length is and how the afternoon goes but I'm just wondering what is going on? He was perfectly fine until a meal came (the same as last night!).
I'm not concerned about the lack of eating but rather the tantrums and the whingy behaviour which seems to come after a seemingly good nap and decent night?

ETA:
After about 20 mins into nap (1.15pm) he started crying and I peeked in and eyes were closed frantically sucking his finger and trying to get to sleep!! OT?

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

If teeth are bothering him that could be a reason for the refusal of food. Toddlers are quite unpredictable creatures a lot of the time, I am not sure you can ever 100% know the why behind every tantrum, but given his age and the disturbed night teeth really would be high on the list for me. Have you tried meds at night?

[labrodyk]

Yes, have tried meds before bed at night and dream meds and no difference. He scoffed breakfast this morning so I don't know if it is a teeth thing...

Woke from nap at 2.40 but chatting from 2.50 then crying immediately

Hmmm, don't really know what I'm doing wrong but I feel like it's something

[Buttonbobs]

After about 20 mins into nap (1.15pm) he started crying and I peeked in and eyes were closed frantically sucking his finger and trying to get to sleep!! OT?

Could be OT but could still be teeth. Are you trying two lots of meds - here in the UK we have calpol (paracetamol) and nurofen (ibuprofen) and at the worst teething moments I needed both together to help DD.

Also, DD started having more vivid dreams at this age and she often cries out but stays asleep. It could be this, but the frantic finger sucking sounds more like teeth to me.

[labrodyk]

Ok, so there MAY be a tooth. He won't let me in or feel without biting me. Refused dinner as well as lunch today but ended up eating an ice cube and a frozen potato chip...

He is totally happy and fine and then BAM the second he sees food he starts crying and getting upset

He is a finger sucker to self soothe but it does worsen when teething. He also has a runny nose the last 2 days. We've hit winter so it's cold and I thought it was that but perhaps not!

Thanks for all your reassurance as usual. Not sure I should push the morning A if it is teeth or pull back to our set 12.45? I've only moved 10mins and thought I'd give it 3-5 days but don't want to make him OT

[Buttonbobs]

Not sure I should push the morning A if it is teeth or pull back to our set 12.45? I've only moved 10mins and thought I'd give it 3-5 days but don't want to make him OT

With my DD ten mins at this age would not have caused OT - she would usually just self-adjust and sleep slightly longer at another time to make up. But the usual rule is not to shift things if teething so I don't think there's any harm in going back to your usual set time.

BAM the second he sees food he starts crying and getting upset

indeed. Perhaps he's just upset because he is hungry but knows he doesn't want to eat it because of the pain. Could you try smoothies or soup?

[labrodyk]

Had our first nightwaking (call out at 10.50 but screaming at 11.20).  Went in to give teething gel and meds and he clung to me for dear life. Poor thing was screaming. Wasn't able to feel anything in the gums but I know the moving is painful too. Just hope I'm not medicating for nothing...

Will try some other foods tomorrow - especially a soup - to see of he eats them. He ate rice bubbles for brekky, rice cakes with cream cheese for morning tea and biscuits in the arvo so I do wonder if it IS teeth given they're reasonably crunchy. So confusing.

[kaipooi]

When my boy was teething his molars, he too would scream and fight tooth and nail at meal times. He would only eat mushy food like porridge and generally food that did not require chewing. However, when it came to cereal and biscuits and nuts (his favourites), he could suddenly chew 

[labrodyk]

Hello ladies!! I'm just after your thoughts and reassurance please!

Harry is 20mo and we are currently teething 2nd molars, have a cold AND talking like crazy.  We are medicating with nurofen and paracetamol and have his humidifier on. His eating has improved (namely because I've cut the number of snacks) but we are VERY clingy and attached and he won't do anything without me. Always asking "hand" and then crying/tantrum if I don't go with him. Finding it hard to go to the bathroom too; even if he can see me he cries.

On top of that, naps are just CRAZY and I didn't know whether you thought I should make an adjustment?

Friday
WU: 6.30ish
Nap: 12.55. Talking and rolling around until 1.20. Woke after an hour at 2.20. OOB at 2.35
BT: 7.00. I think he was OT here as we had a meltdown tantrum over not having a coaster for his milk sippy cup but then chatted for a little while.


Saturday
WU: 6.50 I think (?) OOB at 7.10
Nap: 12.45 - 2! I pulled this back as he was crying and upset through lunch plus the sickness/teeth and the crap nap yesterday. Crying at 2.30 so OOB
BT: will aim for 7

Prior to this he was doing roughly just under 2 hours at 12.45 with BT at 7. Everything just seems quite hit and miss which I'm sure is exacerbated by sickness/teeth but hoping there might be a solution so he's not too OT/UT?

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

Honestly with everything he has going on I think it is just a case of coping until he is through sickness and teething and see where you are at - luckily those are the last teeth until they are 6 or so! There will always be patches where things are hit and miss though yk?

[labrodyk]

Thanks for the advice!! Seems that our teething has eased and just a slightly runny nose remains. Today was my b'day so a bit off track but can't understand these short naps.

WU: not sure
Nap: 1-2.08 then still chatting at 2.25. Left him until 3 - had a bit of a whinge and chat in that time.
BT: 8.00 (should have been earlier but went out for b'day dinner). He had more chatting and squealing before falling quiet.

He has started SCREAMING the second anyone but myself enter his room to get him up (morning and nap) which is really tiring. It took DH a good 15 mins to calm him even after getting him out of bed and combined with the seemingly lack of quality sleep he's turning into a nightmare mood wise.

Will keep medicating where appropriate but I think we're through the worst of it now.