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can pat/shush become a prop?
« on: July 08, 2006, 04:38:36 am »
I am just wondering how the pat/shush technique doesn't become something that your baby needs to fall asleep, like a prop.  Is there a difference between baby needing to be rocked and baby needing to be patted and shushed?  Why would they grow out of p/s and begin to fall asleep on their own and not grow out of needing to be rocked or whatever?  Just curious.  These are things I think about as I am in my boys room for 10 minutes every nap time patting and shushing my brains out! 

Also, my 6 week old is so hard to settle, but once he does the p/s works really well.  Is it alright that we are walking around with him and what not just trying to stop him from crying and to help him get drousy?  I've tried catching him in his window and starting the p/s in his room and he just hates going straight to bed.  He seems to need to be restful when he goes down as he just cranes his neck and pushes with his arms for about 5 minutes before he succombs and relaxes.  I've tried to stand still and he just screams.  When we walk and shush he'll stop crying and pretty soon relax.  At that point we go straight to bed and p/s which seems to work.  Just wondering if there are any other options or if this is just the way my spirited boy is?

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Re: can pat/shush become a prop?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2006, 02:47:03 am »
Hey there!

Regarding p/s becoming a prop:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED THAT SHH/PAT IS/MIGHT BECOME A PROP:

When you first start pat/shh with a young infant, yes you give 100% assistance and help them fall asleep.  As they get on with it, you help less and less.  For instance:

When I first started using pat/shh with Owen (we removed paci) I stood there and used pat/shh to help him get settled and sleep.  As he learned how to fall asleep without the paci, I didn't use pat/shh for as long.  Day 1 was probably 60mins, Day 5 maybe 10mins, Day 8 I was simply using my hand on his back, Day 10 I was just standing by the crib.  See what I mean?

When used correctly, pat/shh isn't a prop because it is a tool.  You don't just use it to put baby to sleep and keep doing that, or at least that isn't the idea of pat/shh.  You use it when you need to with the ultimate goal being independant sleep.  You don't help more then you have to help, and you use less and less patting and shhing as the time goes on.

Now I wind down with Owen and plop him in the crib - he does the rest.  I still use a form of pat/shh for an occasional wonky nap or early waking - but it's just my hand on his back and a soft whisper of I love you.

Regarding the settling.
At 6 weeks old, he will probably be able to tolerate a feed, diaper change and cuddles, and back to bed to sleep.  Anymore awake time then that and he may get overtired and overstimulated.  Also, you can start pat/shh up on the shoulder and then into the crib.  If you walk, that could become a prop.  You want to start early with good sleep habits, and one is helping him get sleepy in the cot so he can associate sleep with the cot.  I'll post a link for the 4 S's and perhaps that'll help some.  Sounds like he is overtired when he is getting in for a nap.  I'd get him in there 10 mins earlier then you do now and maybe you won't have to pat/shh as long ;)

Here you go:
Especially for younger babies, Tracy developed a plan for winding-down, termed the "Four S" ritual. It's an example of a really good wind-down and, done for every nap (and bedtime) can help baby learn s/he is going to sleep. This makes it a much more relaxed affair!

Four S ritual:

- Setting the stage - go into baby's room, away from toys and the rest of the house, and do the same thing everytime, be it changing a nappy, saying 'bye bye' to the sun, closing the blinds, putting on music/white noise.

- Swaddling - I can't recommend this highly enough for younger babies. It helps them control their limbs whilst asleep, and so makes them much less likely to wake themselves up. Also it makes them feel more secure. Tracy recommended it for definite up to 3 to 4 months, but also said that some babies benefit up to 8 to 9 months. It is, however, not recommended for those babies who are tummy sleepers, or when they start to roll, but cannot yet lift their heads up when on their tummies.

- Sitting - simply sit with your baby for a few minutes, preferably in the dark, with as little visual stimulation as possible. No rocking/jiggling/etc. Just sit and be calm, and let baby relax.

- Shush-pat method - Because younger babies can't concentrate on more than two things at a time, Tracy developed this method. It can be done on your shoulder (just make sure baby doesn't fall completely asleep before you put him down) or in the cot. It's quite simple - whilst rhythmically patting him on the back, you also whisper "sssh, sssh, sssh" in his ear. This helps him to stop concentrating on crying, and calms him down. This method is a great alternative to rocking or holding to sleep, and will eventually teach the baby the skills of sleeping independently.

I hope this helps some!
Zoe

Oh is he sptting up alot or showing any signs of reflux?  Here is a link: https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=654.0
      

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Re: can pat/shush become a prop?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2006, 12:55:51 pm »
sorry to jump in here but can i ask a question zoey? i am having real problems at the moment, page 180 of the baby whisperer solves all your problems say a one month old sleeps 1 1/2 hours of sleeps every 3 hours, but you have said at 6 weeks old, he will probably be able to tolerate a feed, diaper change and cuddles, and back to bed to sleep.  anymore awake time then that and he may get overtired and overstimulated,

i think the problem with my dd is that she is over tired, i have other post re this, she seems to yawn very quickly, even before the diaper change, it take hours to put her down, this has been going on for 4 days

just a question, i just feel confussed

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Re: can pat/shush become a prop?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 13:02:30 pm »
Russyl, that does depend on your lo - weight, temperament, environment, night-sleeping, etc.

It also states that it's what should happen when you 'stick to your routine' - ie meaning that you are in a well-established EASY routine and everything's going swimmingly. If your lo is overtired, then it's not going to work for her, and you shouldn't try to stick to it. If I were you - I'd put her down when she needs it for the next few days, even if it's 'too soon', so she can catch up on sleep, then you can work on A times afterwards.

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Re: can pat/shush become a prop?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 16:45:20 pm »
Hey Russyl,
I am sorry you are confused and tired and having a tough time. :-*  Want to post your current routine, we'll see if there is something there we can tweak eh?  Give me, like the one from yesterday and the day before.  Are you doing the 4s's? You should really be swaddling, it helps a ton with sleep at this age.  Also you want to aim for before the yawn, after the yawn is often too late.  Indicate when you start the wind down on your routine.  If you think she is OT then you are probably right.  How long is she BF during a feeding?  Every LO is different, some need more A time the average or less A time then average.  You kinda have to be a detective (with a degree in rocket science!  lol) to figure it out!  Just kidding of course but it sure is hard.  The book is a guide, that's all.  Sometimes when things get confusing, its best to drop all the routines, and watch your baby, and write down in a notebook, wheh she gets hungry, show tried signs, how long she sleeps, all that for a few days and then regroup and make a plan.  I would still Eat, Play, Sleep to avoid feeding to sleep - but when things seems out of control, writing everything down so you can look at it helps alot.

We will try and help.

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