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Need some encouragement please
« on: September 21, 2006, 11:11:13 am »
Hello ladies, I have been bf dd2 from the start and only ever supplimented with 1 bottle of formula when she was 2 days old. I really wanted to bf at least until she was 6 months (12 months is my ultimate goal) but I am feeling a bit down at the moment and can't help but think that maybe things would be a little easier if she was bottle fed :-[. My main concern is that she snacks throughout the day. I cannot dedicate full feeds to her because she gets very easily startled/distracted and I have dd1 running around me, following me, etc when I am with dd2. I have tried soooo hard to distract her (arranged a busy bag, videos, music) but as soon as she notices me gone (in another room feeding dd2), she's after me calling out for me ::). The same goes for when I put dd2 for naps. I am really loosing it these days as I have clearly installed a bad habit with dd2 and she is on a pretty poor schedule (needs to be on 4hr easy but no-where near it!). Anyways, so I was thinking that at least if I had a bottle then I would know that she had what is supposed to if you kwim. Also I've been feeling really low lately. Having real issues with the in-laws, etc... dh not backing me up (does not want problems with his family) and I have no support from him at all :'(! I have not eaten a proper meal in the last week (I pretty much snack myself - had tea with 3 ts of jam), I've been having constant headaches, don't sleep well at night at all (just when I get to fall asleep, dh comes in - usually about 1am or so - starts moving around and settling in and wakes me completely up!!!). He stays up pretty late and I have to be up at 6am with dd1 to start the day. The longest stretch of sleep I've had since dd2 was born has only been about 3 hrs! I am really tired and mum keeps telling me that I need to rest as all this can affect my milk. Is that true? Can feeling s**tty spoil milk? well not spoil but is it possible that I am passing my "feelings" to my child. She was a little bit underweight according to our 4th check with the maternity nurse but I was not too worried about that to be honest. She is so attached to me/the boob especially that I get really emotional even thinking about the whole thing and night feeds are so much easier. I am really not one to give up on things as I expressed for dd1 for 6 months daily. But I've tried to express for dd2 and give her a bottle but she just won't take it (makes it hard for us to go out as well) and I think I've lost the art of expressing cause not much seems to come out at all (about 20 ml).

Sorry for the long post but I guess I am just wanting to get an idea of how to keep myself going when things are really bad. Its not dd2's fault that I feel like this.... so I don't want to take the one thing she loves so much away from her.

Thank you in advance
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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2006, 11:56:29 am »
{{{{{{{{{BIG HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}
I'm sorry you're having such  a hard time at the moment. And I'm sorry I don't really have any advice. Can you get dh to give you some help in other areas - having healthy, easy to eat with one hand, food available - even just sandwiches or cut up fruit. Can you time a feed for dd2 when dd1 is napping?
Remember too that they do feed much more quickly at this age, and lots of bf babies don't get to a 4 hour feeding schedule - my ds didn't at that age, he was close to 6 months before I felt he was ready to go to 4 hours.
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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2006, 12:33:46 pm »
I'm so sorry it's tough.
BIG squeezy hug.

Have you read the FAQ about feeding with a toddler around?
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=67026.0
Do you actually need to be in another room? What about a quiet DVD you can watch together while you feed. Like this one (has lovely music and gentle voices):
http://www.amazon.com/Very-Hungry-Caterpillar-Other-Stories/dp/B000BMGEJI/ref=sr_11_1/104-7032410-3094301?ie=UTF8

It's just not acceptable that your DH is preventing you from getting proper sleep -it sounds like he's more the problem rather than the baby on the sleep front! You need to have that chance to sleep without him waking you up even if you only avoid getting woken up every other night. Your mum is sort of right in that lack of sleep or extreme stress can affect milk supply. I wouldn't worry about it actually changing the contents of the milk itself though.

I would personally say that 4 hours at 4 months while achieveable for some is not possible for everyone. I know lots of 4 month year olds who are still 3 hours or less.

Try and eat little meals with your dd1 when she is eating. Have the same thing as her - veggies, omelette, toast whatever. This is good for her too as she will see you modelling eating but also easier on the cooking front. When she has a snack try and drink yourself - water or a smoothie or something.

Is there someone who can take Isabella for just a few hours to give you quieter time with Jasmine and you can nap when Jasmine naps?

It's not uncommon for mums to only express 20ml or so. Keep practising or just build up a stash in your freezer for when the time does come. Check out the tips for getting your LO to take a bottle:
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64926.0

Make a list of people who can support you - fellow mums, family, DH and think about what they could each do. e.g. the idea about DH preparing some food. Don't be afraid to ask for help. These next few months will be tough but soon you'll be moving on and you can pass on support to someone else who may need it.


P.S Moving to bottles may sound easier but is it really worth it? You've no guarantee that she'll be less distractable or that Isabella won't be as demanding of your attention and then you've also got to find the time to wash, sterilise and prepare bottles...and the cost...

P.P.S. If you really are feeling low think about talking to your doctor.

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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2006, 16:04:29 pm »
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} I don't have a lot of advise as I only have one child, but it sounds like the main thing tha you need is quiet time when you feed dd2.  Do you have any neighbors that could watch dd1 for just like 15 minutes while you feed on occasion?  15 minutes is not much of an imposition and I am sure most would be willing to help out.  When I had ds, I had a few neighbors I hardly knew offer to watch ds so I could take a shower in peace.  This might be helpful just until you get on track.  Hang in there and try not to give up - we are all rooting for you :)
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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2006, 19:43:28 pm »
Hi Layla

I empathise with you so much as I have a 12 week old baby and a 3-year old in the house and it has been really tough.  I have a snacker also and think this is because she has to be so flexible to fit around my toddler's routine - it's just not been possible to implement any kind of routine with her.   It makes you tear your hair out every day when you envisage finally getting into a routine and then it all goes t**s up when she pulls off 3 minutes into the first feed and then takes a 20-minute nap!

Sometimes when it gets so overwhelming which it so understandably does, I try to tackle everything all at once and get even more overwhelmed.  The best advice that I've had is to "cope with what you can cope with" - and so I list everything that's challenging me and prioritise them in terms of what I'd really like to get cracked first.  Then I make a plan to tackle just the first thing and not to put a time limit on it.  In the meantime, I try to accept that everything else will need to run as is, i.e. snacking, cat-napping, house getting wrecked etc, but at least part of it will get better as I work on it.  The first thing that I decided to tackle was my toddler and not the baby as we had a sleep problem and the reason she was behaving the way she was was because a. she was tired and b. she saw me sloping off with dd throughout the day, and she was vying for attention.  By sorting out her sleep problem, and making sure I got quality time with her too, her behaviour has really changed, and has given me the chance to even start thinking about cracking the dd challenges.  But I must stress I did all of this with dh and it wouldn't have worked without him, and I don't know how exactly I'm going to fix dd's routine!

I also keep reminding myself [because we have been through this before!] that this stage is one stage that won't last forever - pretty soon, we'll be onto solids [not just milk-feeds], napping and sleeping better, rolling about, sitting up and crawling and this painful stage will be past.  Until then I take a day at a time, otherwise I'll go mad.  And if this means that a switch to bottle-feeding is what I think will help [because like you, I'm considering this for exactly the same reasons], I'll do it because it's really for such a short spell and it's not just dds happiness that counts, but mine and the rest of the family too.  But I'm putting this off at the moment, because as someone else has said, I'm not sure this will solve the problem of snacking or distraction from the breast [and I'm not sure I can be bothered getting up in the night to heat the bottles!]. 

I have given you some of the things that I have tried below to help me get through the hard times.  I hope this in some way helps.

Finally, I have the number of a really good "baby whisperer" [not really but best description I can give] in the UK that may be able to help you should you think you need some help getting through this - I used her for my toddler and it started to turn things around in days.  She really helped me both prioritise and put things into perspective, and because dh was involved, it opened his eyes too!  Please let me know if you think this would help or maybe someone could recommend one in your neck of the woods.

All the very very best and good luck

Christie

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Night times are difficult because even though you may get enough sleep in hours etc, it is broken and it's a killer.  It's even worse when it's being broken by 2 or even 3 people.  What I've done to cope with this is to move to another room with dd for a few nights/weeks at a time.  I tell you, it's much more relaxing because no one can disturb you [except dd!] and you are not so afraid that you're going to wake everyone up.  If this an option, even move to the sitting room and see how it goes.  Or even better, ask dh to move somewhere for a night or two now and again. 

With daytime feeds, having a quiet activity to do with my toddler whilst I am feeding has been useful so that I can supervise and comment without necessarily joining in - actually, I get a good couple of hours out of play dough and puzzles without her getting too boisterous [books etc were useless - she was more interested in wrecking the joint before my eyes!].  I have also invested in baby dolls that my toddler can feed at the same time as I do which causes me great mirth.  In addition, I will ask her to cook me something nice or make me a cup of tea, which I try to string out for as long as possible to give me peace to feed.  The last resort for me but by far the most useful is TV just to sit and get some "quiet" time.  It really helps, especially if you can talk with her whilst it's on. Finally, when everything really gets too much, I just have to get them and me out of the house, even for the whole day to distract them.  It seems to keep me sane!

As for the eating and drinking thing, I was worried about this too and things that have helped have been taking a glass of water every hour.  Something that I think has helped my supply [which seems to get really low when I am low] is a big glass of milk at the beginning and end of the day [it also helps me sleep].  I also find it hard to get round to meals so I snack on things like cooked meat for protein that I can just grab quickly from the fridge when I'm hard pushed.

I feel like I've just rambled and you've probably thought about all of these things already but I hope this all helps somehow. x

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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 22:34:42 pm »
Oh thank you all so much! I was so down last night and woke up this morning with a fever and a runny nose (i think myimmune system is giving up on me big time). Dh is not home and has not been coming home for the last 3 days. He has been staying at his parents house as he is fixing his car and all the tools are with his dad. I called him and was crying for about an hour, trying to get him to come back so that I could vent but I guess with the petrol, etc, he thought it would be better off if he just stayed there (they live about an hour away). He won't be back till tomorrow so I guess today'/tonight I'll be on my own again. My mum comes over to stay with me after work so that I am not alone at home at night but its just so much different when your partner is there, I guess. He's not too keen on cooking, etc... My wonderful mil has brought her boys up to be treated like kings  ::) which means that I should be able to do it all on my own and have dinner ready for him as well. I am big on sharing responsibility so I know that he needs to input as well but he has honestly only ever given dd1 a bath 3-4 times in her 18 months so you get the picture.... As for settling the baby at night, there is just no way... he sleeps through all of her cries and sleeps way past me in the morning. He even takes naps during the day when he should be offering me to take them and instead taking dd1 to the park >:(.

As far as 4hr easy - when I read the EASY forum, it just seems like everyone else's baby is sleeping so well (2 solid naps and a catnap) and sleeps through the night at this age, but mine still seems to be stuck on catnaps. This morning, I thought I'll be dead set on increasing her A time but she woke up at 6.30am and by 7.30 was irritable. Put her to bed and she fell asleep within 5 mins. I remember dd1 being on a 3hr routine for a very long time (till she was 6 months or so) and she only ever did 3 1hr naps and 12 hrs at night but was still waking for 2 feedings until she was 9 months. So I think I'll stop comparing my little munchkin with other babies and just accept that her biorythms may just be developing slower than others.

I know that this stage won't last forever - I just wish that I was more organised. Everything just seemed so much easier with dd1. I am usually such an organised person but now nothing seems to get done.

Anyway, thank you again and I know that quitting Bf is not the answer so I feel silly for even thinking it!



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Re: Need some encouragement please
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006, 12:02:11 pm »
I feel for you an thinking that all the other lo's are sleeping through.  I feel the same way.  We are just over 5 mths with a df and still a night waking.  You are not alone on that front  :-\  I don't think that you can decide or go by a book as far as when to change to 4 hour easy and other issues.  DD2 will make it very evident when she is ready for that.  Just follow her lead.  I know it is easier said than done but try not to worry about where other lo's are - every lo is different.

It is nice that you have family around to help out a bit.  Hopefully dh will come around.  My dh and I were having issues with separation of chores and we sat down one night and wrote out a schedule.  Each night he and I are responsible for cleaning a designated room in the house.  Also, every other night I give ds his bath and put him down for bed.  On nights I do this, dh cooks.  We have been doing this for two weeks and it has been so wonderful - no more complaining about how he doesn't do anything (even if it is still a little lopsided  ::) )  We both work full time, so it was definitely needed in our situation.  Maybe the two of you could sit down and make a plan so it is clear what your expectations are of each other - just a suggestion.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2006, 19:06:20 pm »
Hang in there.  I'm so impressed you've made it so far already and it sounds like you are doing fantastic.  I've been trying to nurse DS2 (12 days old) and it is a mess when DS1 (18 mos) is being demanding, we are cluster feeding/snacking twice a day in the morning and afternoon because those feeds are so lousy with DS1 climbing everywhere and screaming.  Nighttime is going down the tubes too as DS1 is no longer sleeping and I am losing my support.  If I'm doing as well as you in 3 months I'll be thrilled.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2006, 21:34:03 pm »
big hug :-*  let's see...i once heard (from i think the husband/wife dr. sears') this said about parenting:  "if you resent something change it"...i thought that was brilliant!  when my lo was about 2 months and a total snacker i was having a hard time keeping up and felt discouraged from bf (not your situation i know) but i introduced 2 bottles per day, no more no less....it saved our bf relationship.  that was two months ago and am currently weaning for other reasons, but it made an impossible situation manageable.  the other thing i did when housework and cooking became overwhelming with 2 kids...hire a cleaning service and start ordering takeout or heating big frozen lasagna, etc.  if your budget does not allow for that, perhaps it could with a little financial wizardry...cutting other stuff out...it can really mean the difference between feeling totally overwhelmed and feeling better organized ;) ( i'm not feeling well today and i may just order pizza tonight :P)  but concentrate on your babies and yourself because as you've learned, there's no guarantee anyone else will...feel better :-*