Author Topic: When should naps become more consistent?  (Read 1310 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline shoemom

  • New, But Posting Steadily!
  • **
  • Showing Appreciation 1
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 94
  • Location: Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada
When should naps become more consistent?
« on: May 18, 2007, 15:22:23 pm »
My 11 week old DS has been on Easy for 4 weeks now. He has just started to sleep better thru the night (DF around 10:30 or 11:00 pm) and then up around 3:00 am for short feed (3-4oz formula) and then up for the day at 7:00am. His nap times are confusing me though; usually a nap lasts 45min to an hour, and I try to soothe him back to sleep but either can't, or it's very difficult (my back is starting to ache from long hours of leaning over his crib-I need to cover his eyes so he doesn't stare and smile at me!!) The odd time (sometimes for 1 nap out of the day) he'll sleep a good 2 hours or until I get him up. He's on the 3 hour routine and I just shush him with the aid of a soother to sleep (the patting just stimulates him too much). He gets tired fairly soon (is usually up 1 hour after a nap) and I make sure not to miss his sleep window cause then he just won't sleep at all). Also, when he wakes after the short naps, he's still tired (so I know he hasn't gotten enough sleep). The LO is a spirited/touchy baby, and really puts up a fuss when it's time for bed. Will he ever enjoy going to sleep like I do? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Offline oilerbaby

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 25
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 632
  • Location: Canada
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 16:02:18 pm »
My DS is 3 1/2 months and I have a similar problem with his morning nap - keeps waking up at the 45 minute mark but I know he's still tired cause he's a grouch!  I'm sorry I don't have any advice for you but you are not alone!  I'm gonna keep an eye on the post and hopefully you (and me!) will get some advice!
Lilypie 2nd Birthday Pic" width="100" height="80" border="0<img src="http://b2.lilypie.com/UD68m6.png" alt="Lilypie 2nd Birthday Ticker" border="0"  />

Offline malialeanne

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 19
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 739
  • Really, mom? More pictures?
  • Location:
    • My blog
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 02:55:42 am »
Hello. I remember those days! DD used to SCREAM her head off when it was time for sleep. Now we go into her room, read books, swaddle, she lays her head on my shoulder for a few minutes in the rocker, then into the crib and she falls asleep. She seems to enjoy our winddown ritual and doesn't fight it anymore. Some really spirited babes can't handle any winddown, but for us, being very very consistent with winddown helped dd know exactly what to expect and helped prepare her to sleep.

Naps begin to become more consistent for many around 3 months, with the a.m. nap usually developing first and the p.m. nap sometime later between 5 - 8 months.

Good naps are developmental, but also depend of appropriate A times. Our dd is spirited (and a bit touchy when it comes to sleep) and our biggest issue was overtiredness until about 12-14 weeks or so, then it was undertiredness. You don't want them to be overtired, but you also want to ensure that they're tired enough to have a good nap. Sometimes you just need to experiment to see what works best.

We used shh/pat to extend naps and yes, it's torture. Fortunately it doesn't last too long, soon enough they learn to do it on their own if you're consistent.

HTH!
Malia
Malia



Offline shoemom

  • New, But Posting Steadily!
  • **
  • Showing Appreciation 1
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 94
  • Location: Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 13:34:05 pm »
Thanks for the encouraging words! I'll continue with our winddown routine and extending the naps. When I am able to extend his naps, my DS sleeps longer and is much happier when he gets up. It's nice to know that all this hard work will pay off (and then we'll be thrown off by something else, like teething!)  ;)

Lilypie 1st Birthday Pic" width="100" height="80" border="0[img width= height= alt=Lilypie 1st Birthday Ticker" border="0" width="400" height="80]http://b1.lilypie.com/xwjam4.png[/img]

Offline malialeanne

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 19
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 739
  • Really, mom? More pictures?
  • Location:
    • My blog
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 14:18:46 pm »
DD cut her first tooth this week and it didn't throw things off too much--naps weren't affected at all! :)
Malia



Offline sarahmom

  • New & Learning The Ropes!
  • *
  • Showing Appreciation 2
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 18
  • Location:
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 18:29:03 pm »
What worked for me, and may or may not work for you, was to get my little guy up when he woke up after 45 minutes, but then have a very short A time (say half an hour) and put him down for another 45 minutes.  Also, be sure that your LO is really awake before you get him up - and this can change.  When my little guy was really young, when he was awake he was awake.  Now I've found, at 3.5 months, that sometimes he will make noise and even cry a little bit at around 45 minutes and then go back to sleep - not always, but sometimes.  Give him a chance to put himself back to sleep.  Of course, I wouldn't leave him to scream, but see what he can do on his own!

Offline shoemom

  • New, But Posting Steadily!
  • **
  • Showing Appreciation 1
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 94
  • Location: Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 02:42:20 am »
Thanks for the advice Sarahmom. Since my first post we've had much progress with naptime. My LO does tend to make little baby noises (sometimes even shrieks!) and then puts himself back to sleep; and usually I'll just sit back and watch him to make sure he's not actually waking up. Most times now my DS doesn't even need as much convincing to fall asleep as long as he's not overtired or overstimulated. Playing with the A times really helps, as well as our winddown routine. Thanks for everyone's advice and support :)


Lilypie 1st Birthday Pic" width="100" height="80" border="0[img width= height= alt=Lilypie 1st Birthday Ticker" border="0" width="400" height="80]http://b1.lilypie.com/xwjam4.png[/img]

Offline MJMom

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 93
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 3120
  • Do you like my sassy orange crocs?
  • Location: Chicago, IL
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 03:45:35 am »
I feel like I'm really not the one to be giving advice, but I'm literally going through this now.  My LO used to nap really well and then at week 6 stopped napping well.  I decided it was because of the bad advice I got from getting a different sleep pattern book that told us to let her cry it out.  (first time I did it and she cried for 45 minutes, I was in tears myself)  After 2 days of listening to her cry, I knew there had to be a better way and spent 2 hours at Borders until I found BW.  I kept saying that she was working perfectly fine until I "broke" her.  What I didn't realize is that what she was going through was developmentally normal.
So I'm completely rambling now...

My DD has not had good naps for about 2 weeks where she is waking up any where between the 30 and 45 minute mark.

Have you read the threads on Overstimulation and the Napping FAQ's?  Also, there is a link to a sleep interview with Tracy Hogg.  Read all of that and there might be some good things to try as well.

The last 2 days have been MUCH better with the naps, but they are requiring a LOT of parental intervention to keep her down longer than 45 minutes.  The first day, (which was Monday!)  There was a LOT of crying and screaming.  Which is no fun at 5:00 a.m.  Seems that her bad napping had been accumulating and she was getting grumpier by the day!  Tuesday was crying... but not as much over tired screaming!  Yay!  Wednesday was just fussing... and today a couple of her naps were much easier.  The last one we fell to pieces again and didn't sleep, but at least LO was not crying.  Just some quiet time and a few "I'm tired" cries.

I read in one of the posts some where that LOs will wake as they are shifting from one sleep cycle to the next.  And sometimes they shake, and literally shake themselves awake.  What we did was literally wait until right before those times that she would drift from one cycle to the next and keep our hands on her with a firm enough pressure to keep her from jolting too much.   So she would wake, but not completely go crazy awake.  That being said Mon-Wed she completely awoke each time and it was a lot of Shhh'ing to keep her down (Incidentally, my LO doesn't like the shh/pat either.  We modified it with the Shh and rubbed her arms.  She seemed to like that).  There was some PU/PD and there was even some holding her in our arms and just let her cry her little eye balls out.  the little itty bitty tears could just break your heart!    :(
I knew we were on the right track on Tuesday when after one of her crying sessions where I just held her and kept whispering how much I loved her and to let it all out resulted in her once completed with her cry, looking up at me and giving me the cutest little grin I'd ever seen out of her!!  The whole time I explained to her what I was doing and why I was doing it.  I even had this esoteric conversation that I was telling her that she could do and be what ever she wanted to be with hard work... and that it all started with her getting good naps!!! 
Any way, today, she slept until 6:00 am! (last df was 11:00)  And her first nap, I only needed to put my hand on her for 5-10 minutes and she passed right through to the deep sleep and her second nap, she did it all by her little self!  (Mommy had fallen asleep in the glider and missed it!).  Any way, all of that was VERY time intensive.  It was literally either myself or my DH in there with her for ALL of her naps through the duration of the nap.  We would pop out for maybe 5 min. at a time, but was in there so the second she stirred we could ease her into the next sleep cycle.  I'm hoping today was not a fluke, but we're planning on doing the same for the next several days to be sure.  She was so much happier today and was cooing and smiling all over!  It made the earlier time intensive days sooo worth it!

Btw, I also read a ton of Malia's other posts!  VERY Helpful!

HTH! 

Alissa
Alissa
~~~~~~~~~~



Offline malialeanne

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 19
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 739
  • Really, mom? More pictures?
  • Location:
    • My blog
Re: When should naps become more consistent?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 19:45:00 pm »
Congratulations Alissa! It feels so good when the hard work pays off. We did the same thing as you--going in and patting to make sure she didn't get "crazy awake" :) and it worked, but it did take time. It was a combo of her own developmental age, longer A times, and the nap extension help that eventually worked.

Enjoy the good sleep, be prepared to still need to go in sometimes and help her though. And keep monitoring A times. When naps start to gradually shorten, it's a sign that they're ready for more A time. They can plateau at one A time for a while and then suddenly need more (which is what's happened here) or they could be more gradual and need an extra 5-10 minutes every week or two. Fortunately once they learn to take long naps they can almost always get back there once A times sort out again. :)
Malia