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Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« on: June 15, 2007, 12:38:13 pm »
It my first post on BW - Although I have a well thumbed Baby Whisper solves all your problems and so have managed to cope with most that my little tinker has managed to throw at me I am struggling with this one.

Up until a few days ago we had no trouble at bedtime. Ella (nearly 18 months) would go down to sleep with no problems except of course for the occasional illness hiccups but even then there was no need for me to be in the room. Bedtime routine has always been fairly constant. Dinner, bath, story, cuddle whilst having milk and then to bed. No need for either Mummy or Daddy in the room. We have occasionally had night wakings but she has more often than not settled herself back to sleep or has just needed her dummy popped in her mouth and off to sleep again. She does have a special toy “Pen” that she has in the last couple of weeks got even more attached to and so now Pen not only sleeps her cot with her but gets dragged around the house too.

Since Tuesday however the moment I make to leave the room I get a "mummy sit down" and then hysteria ensues as I head towards the door. Initially it is her “pretend” crying but it then changes and the crying is interspersed with calling for me. When I go in she does not calm immediately and more often than not I have to lie her down again. Once she is settling down again I leave and the pattern repeats with the whole thing culminating in the dummy and Pen being thrown out the cot (props I know but only since Tuesday and she wont sleep without them!). I tried several times to settle her and then leave but eventually I sat down in the room and she falls asleep – within 5-10 minutes! Our usual 7.30 bed has ended up with her being awake for at least an extra hour now. DH now wants me to let her cry (even though he knows I don't agree with this) and so I can feel that the tension is starting to build – I was prompted to post after last night when she first woke at 1.30am and wouldn’t settle - I went in, soothed then left and when she realised I had left the room she started crying again … eventually I crawled into the bed in her room (she can’t actually see me in there but seems to settle when she has not seen me leave) and after a couple of hours she woke again and thinking I wasn’t there started to call me and threw dummy and Pen out of the cot – returning dummy and Pen and a couple of shushes resulted in a sleeping baby … until 6 this morning.

I am now getting worried about this pattern developing and am not sure how to break it. I also think she may be losing some of her sleeping hours at night – whereas she used to go from 7.30 – 7.45pm to about 6.30am she is now losing at least an hour but probably more as she seems to waking earlier and earlier - we don't get up before 6.30am is now a struggling concept. She does nap during the day – a good two hours from about 1 -1.30 although I am trying to move this nap to 12.30 to see if this will make a difference with bedtime. I would really appreciate any suggestions as to how to deal with this before it gets any worse.

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2007, 23:28:55 pm »
Hi & welcome to the boards! ;D

Do you think she's going through SA? Is she clingier to you during the day?

Here's the link to sleep training methods for toddlers: - https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63896.0

I would either do wi/wo or the gradual withdrawal. You could start of with staying in her room & move closer to the door & then end up doing wi/wo. Has anything else happened that you can think of that would throw her sleep off?

I would suggest bringing the nap time earlier as well as bedtime so that she doesn't get into the cycle of overtiredness.

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2007, 07:07:09 am »
You have no idea how happy I am to see your reply  :) ... last night was absolutely atrocious with her waking at 3.30 and then crying on and off for the next hour and a half. Bedtime was a trauma too but managed to settle just after 8 - had her in bed by 7.25 and then sat at the door of her room until she fell asleep - still crying and throwing toys out but slightly less hysteria and actually fell asleep without the dummy (although she did let us know about it) - made up for it at 3.30 though ... and was up just after 6am ...

I did wonder about SA - she does every now and then exhibit signs of clinginess but not just towards me ... her daddy is usually her favourite person and her granny (who cares for her on the 3 days when I am at work). She has been a little more clingy but not markedly so -the only thing I can think of is that over the last 2 months I have done a couple of extra days at work but she hasnt seemed to even notice as her grannies have still been looking after her and her daily routine has not changed much as a result. She did have full 5 days with me about a week ago because of bank holidays but she did not react like this when it happened the last time ... to be honest I am at a loss ...

I will try and move her naptime and bedtime earlier and thanks for that link - I will have a good read through that now!

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 19:16:40 pm »
We have had a light bulb moment. Definitely not SA ... Last night was a bad night again with DD only managing 9 .5 hours sleep and 2 NW with 5:45am wake up ... went round to visit the in laws for Fathers Day and as I was wanting to get madam down for her nap early her granny offered to put her down for her nap ... hoping she would get a good 2-2.5 hours and as granny looks after her on the 3 dyas when I and at work, I agreed ... a few minutes later I was listening at the door to story before sleep (all fine - usual routine) and then it was followed by Ella's request for cot which gave me hope. She went into her travel cot and what  followed was the light bulb moment - "granny sit" were the next words and then to my amazement - " now you lie down in your cot pet and granny with lie here on the sofa" ... well that explains a lot! No wonder she doesn't to go to sleep on her own. Tonight so far has been good - she is so exhausted from running around with her cousins that all it took was a little bit of comforting when she started to niggle when I put her down and a few strokes of her cheek and her eyes grew heavy and started to close - fingers crossed for the rest of the night!

Note to self (and others!) - keep checking carefully on what carers are up to with your routine - don't assume that they are always following your instructions! It is going to be a hard few weeks trying to correct this!

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 21:29:48 pm »
I am glad you found what it was. So she's been used to granny sitting with her while she falls asleep. It might be a few rought weeks.... You'll have to do either wi/wo or GW. Maybe have a chat to granny about the whole thing as well.

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 09:21:14 am »
Will do Layla and thanks ... spoke to Granny this morning and she has now realised and taken on board the effect that this was having on sleep routine. DH and I have decided to do wi/wo as it is clearly not an SA issue and Granny has been given a crash course in wi/wo - when I was doing this over the weekend her settle time was reducing - she wasn't sleeping quite so well as she was obviously upset but I think that as long granny follows the plan we will have her back on track in no time. I also tied her dummy to her sleeping bag with ribbon (rather than the dummy tie as she was getting it loose!) which meant that when she woke last night she found it and thankfully settled herself so managed a good 10.5/11 hours last night rather than the miserable 9hrs of Saturday - yippee!.

Once again thanks for your help on this ... makes a huge difference when you have a sympathetic ear ...
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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 13:18:43 pm »
Can anyone tell me how long you should stay with them when you are doing wi/wo? I am having one awful tiem this afternoon and my DD has been going at it for the last hour with no sign of let up and is getting completely distraught ... if I am staying for about a minute when she is completely hysterical until her breathing settles and she is calmer is that too long? Also, even if she does fall asleep soon it will be time to get up ... do I get her up or let her sleep? such confusion ... yesterday was really quite good and she only took 15 minutes to get to sleep  last night ... at a loss ... again ...
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 13:26:00 pm »
Sounds like a bit of regression to me, which is completely normal. They get better, then they get WORSE and then things click into place - correct me if i am wrong Layla. 

Can't comment regarding the WI/Wo unfortunately.
Good luck and don't lose hope!

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 14:02:01 pm »
Thanks DI - I have had to get her up and no doubt tonight will be a repeat as she will definitely be over tired - and that little face is peeringat me round the door going "boo" with the hugest smile ... completely feels like she has won but its now after 3 and there is now way she was going to sleep ...

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Re: Little treasure now a terror! Help ...
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2007, 07:55:23 am »
We are seeing some improvement using wi/wo. Last night DD was in bed for 7.15 and asleep within 10 minutes with only one cry and no need to actually go in ... hooray! She also managed to sleep till 6.30 (although I think it would have been later if her dad wasn't an early riser and was quieter on the stairs!). Nap time is still a bit of a struggle but I will happily plod on with that if she is sleeping better at night.

Thanks for your advise Layla - really appreciate it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2007, 08:34:20 am »
Hey Robyn. Good to hear things are improving & only 10mins to fall asleep! Sounds like she is doing well!!!

This is a link to a free exchange board. You might want to post what you are after & someone might be able to help you there  :)

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=102.0

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2007, 19:07:13 pm »
Thanks DI - I am on the Isle of Man and I have tried for 2 of them on ebay already and not being experienced at this whole thing have been pipped at the post (dont have time to monitor the auction minute by minute unfortuantely - DD has her own demands and allowing mummy to indulge in  bit of online purchasing does not feature) ... the ones you have linked are on my radar and I will keep trying though as I really need to get hold of a spare ... and thanks Layla I will give it a try - anything is worth a go. Darn sister buying a toy that is now hard to find!

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2007, 19:36:24 pm »
LOL R,

Hubby is quite peeved that I insisted on buying two spares of a soft toy we were given too. Even when buying them we had to go hunting, as Clintons are not making them anymore. He almost lost one the other day, and then realised the wisdom of having more than one.

Hope you get that one!!! We have the Duck if it is of any help :)

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