anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?

[Layla]

Don't be scared . Try for a nap around 11.30-12pm. Even if he sleeps 1.5hrs then you can do bedtime around 6ish.

How does that sounds?

[M and N's Mom]

That's what I figured, but if he only sleeps from 11:45-1:15, for example then he will definitely be OT by 6:00.  He usually doesn't even go down until 1:30 and then sleeps until 3:00ish.  I guess I'll never know until I try.  Maybe if he doesn't have a good nap we'll have to go for a walk this afternoon and hope he at least has a rest.

[debo620]

OliverRowland, this whole OT is not always that easily avoided, escpecially if you have a spirited boy and slightly touchy sleeper. It honeslty doesn't take much, for us it started a few nights back when Noah did not sleep well at night, (I think too warm) and then took a 2.5hr nap (too long I guess) and woke early the next day at 6 and then his nap was 1hr40min that day instead of the 2, and then this just added up. I wish we could program them to sleep exactly 11.5 at night and 2hrs during the day but alas that is impossible. So here I am trying to figure what his needs are. we will be out of this oT thing soon but I am sure he will alsways be an early riser,

My Ideal rouitne would be a 6:30 wake, nap 12-2, bed 7, asleep by 7:15/7:30.

I need some advice for today too...

yesterday ended up like this
EW 5:30
10min nap at 9:45-9:55
nap 12-2:20----I woke him
bed at around 7

then today, he woke early again 5:45
played and talked quiety until crying for us at 6:45am

so alhtough he has been OT, and had a shorter night, was that too much sleep yesterday? and reinfored the early wake today?

he is in much better spirits today,
my plan is too offer the 10min nap again 9:45/10
next nap 12/12:15---but wake after 2hrs
bed 7

what do you guys think?

[samijoe]

yeppers deb, i was just coming to say the same thing.  when i read your post, i instantly thought WOW he has alot of sleep during the day~!  on two naps, by the end, my dd could not go over 2hrs total or she just wouldn't sleep at night!  on the 20min am nap we did (which i know might not work the same for noah as his A times seem long),

7 wake  (which i had to do religiously to fit it all in)
1030-1050 nap 1
1245 in crib
1250-230  asleep nap 2
730 bed...asleep by 8pm

by the end of the 20min nap, she was only getting like 1.25 for her pm nap...so we went to 15mins for awhile to get the pm nap  back up.  but it was never over 2hrs total for the day.

i was very mad at stacy too...cuz all these other people got to have 20mins plus 2.25 etc...but i hung in there!


rina~ stacy is right that the 10hr night, while solid, will catch up with her.  recently avery was extending her A times all over the place AND we had 10hr nights for a week or so.  She was so grouchy and i really had to find away to get her back to normal.  I played with her routine for another week or so before we found something that worked.  I suspect if little Zara seems happy, it is her spiritedness helping her thru....this might mask the ot slightly.  i wouldn't aim for the later bedtime just yet....OMHO


sami

[debo620]

ok thanks guys, thats what I was thinking..yesterday I just let him sleep that little extra because I thought --oh he's OT and needing some catch-up.......so I was wrong. better to catch up at night, I totally know that..... his one nap is usually only 2hrs

so hes asleep at 9:50am -I can't beleive we have back tracked this much, but I know its temporary---just in a bit of a rough patch!
I'll wake at 10
next nap 12/12:15 and I'll wake at 2 today,
bed and asleep by 7, then hopefully he'll have a normal nights sleep tonight and an after 6am wake

[MommaHolmes]

WAAAAHHHHH 
It's all gone wrong over here.

We'd been doing so well as well  After getting in a couple of two nap days over the weekend and  sticking to an early bedtime with one nap, we had three days where he slept more than 11.5hrs at night and so had over 13hrs in total each day. Thought we were actually getting somewhere.
Then yesterday he only had an hour's nap. Last night, despite early bedtime and falling asleep beautifully by 17:45 (15 mins after going down), he woke at 1am, stayed awake until 2:45am, then woke for the day at 5:30. Decided he needed a 2 nap day today so left him with his grandpa for the morning, while I was at work, who put him down for his am nap.. he might have had 20 mins, but I get the impression it was at least 25... then guess what? He refuses the pm nap and I give in at 2:30pm (he was in bed at 1pm) and decide to do a super early bedtime at 5. Unsurprising he is now struggling to get to sleep.

It's one step forward, two steps back.
I am now convinced that we won't have this sorted by the time the new baby arrives and I am probably going to collapse with exhaustion after 10 minutes of labour.

Disaster 

[rinajack]

Mamaholmes - what is your due date?  We must be due around the same time!

After that short night (I agree, it is definitely on the short side), I let Zara sleep waay to long for her nap (I woke her after 3 hrs ) but by then, at least my own very very extreme irritability had completely gone (and it was extreme, I really really need to have this baby). 

She went to bed fine around 8pm again, but can't sleep in as we have to leave early to head out of town to go to the OB for another appt (2.5 hr drive each way), plus DH has an appt with the orthopaedic surgeon also, so it is going to be a very very long day for Zara and I (and maybe dh too I guess ).

Anyway.  Will try to get her back to an earlier bedtime over the weekend (Fri-Sun).  no doubt she will push me to it herself anyway by taking a shorter nap (back down around the 1.5 hr mark).

Her wakeup time I dont' believe is related to OT - she is waking up when DH goes to work, and has done that for most of her life....we did seem to fix it for a while, but in hindsight, I think she was sleeping extra due to growth spurt.

To top off all our fun, she is teething all 4 eye teeth....all are big white lumps just waiting to bust through the skin.

But, like I said, total happy camper, and NW fewer than they have been since I went into hospital about 5-6 weeks ago now (with the odd night of none!) so I really don't think she is OT at this stage. Also, except for growth spurts, 11 hrs has always been a long night for her, and 10s are not unusual at all. Longer than 11 has pretty much only happened at growth spurts. Hmm.  Will keep on watching what happens....somehow doubt she will ever be a "nap at xxx time, for xxx hours" type of kid...she doesn't do anything the same ever LOL.

[OliverRowland]

Debo:  Oliver is a pretty laid back dude.  So, textbook...on most things.   Other than NW and EW how do you recognize OT in your lo?

[debo620]

OliverRowland,
Noah just gets cranky!, doesn't play nicley etc, tempers..
yesterday, we were outside--he was pushing a push car and it got stuck on a curb and he just screamed and started trying to throw the car he gets super frustrated when he is not well rested.


okay guys, I have started a new 2-1 chat thread as this one is getting a little lengthy....so I am locking this thread, please post on the other...