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NoelleChristine

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Question about pat-shush
« on: July 25, 2007, 14:21:42 pm »
I have a 6 week old that I'm needing to pat-shush and I have a couple of questions.  First, do I start the pat-shush at the beginning of the nap...even if he's not fussing or do I wait until he's fussing, or crying? 

Second, he seems to like to suck a lot.  After he's been crying hard during the pat-shush he'll start to suck his fingers so I've been giving him the paci.  He'll settle and suck for a few minutes and the spit it out...I'll continue with the pat-shush and he'll be calm for a bit and then slowly start to get worked up again and he'll start to suck his fingers again.  Is it ok to continue giving him the paci at this time or should I just push through with the pat-shush?

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Question about pat-shush
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2007, 15:06:42 pm »
I think it is OK to give the paci again - Tracy said in her books that she feels a paci is a great soother for some LOs right up to 3 months old. I think what I would do is wait and see if he falls asleep with it in his mouth in the end - if so, you would want to gradually remove it for him so that he is spitting it out just before he actually goes to sleep. Of course, you could choose not to give the paci and continue with the pat/sh only, but if it only takes a couple of sucks of the paci for him to calm right down then I think it is worth it. TBH, I am not sure exactly what point paci use changes from 'helping with soothing' to 'prop' - probably when he *needs* it all the time for sleeps / every 45 mins.

As for pat/sh - you only are supposed to do this if they are fussing / crying. If he is calm, just put him down and stand back and wait and see what he does. It's hard to do this, I know, as you feel like you should be doing something 'active' to help them get to sleep. But, actually, if you could put him down and he was calm and he started being able to drift off to sleep on his own, then that would be the most amazing and wonderful thing!!

I remember one of Tracy's programs where they had a LO where they did just that - they put him down, stood back, shaded his eyes to help prevent over-stimulation, and he ended up putting himself to sleep (this was after many weeks of 'walking the baby').

One thing that I think I never quite got right was the 5 minute 'hold' after swaddling but before putting down - you are supposed to just hold the LO upright against your shoulder with minimal stimulation to generally help calm them, then gently pop them into their crib, then stand back and watch to see what happens. You are supposed to do this without any pat/sh or talking or whatever and only then commence with pat/sh if they fuss / cry.

You would then pick them up and start pat/sh process before putting them down when they are calm. If they get upset (beyond what you can calm whilst still in the crib with pat/sh), you pick them up again and start pat/sh process. Although this feels a little like pu/pd, it is markedly different as you are using the pat/sh as the calming tool. Tracy's book explains it really well and their are some links on this board that explain it all in depth as well.

HTH

One last thing - do you use a swaddle? If so, then that is great. If not, then you might want to consider one to help him remain calm whilst he is getting to sleep. However, if you feel he has enough limb control through the 'jerks' when he is going to sleep / every 45 mins, and you don't use a swaddle, then I would just keep him out of the swaddle and hope that he carries on finger sucking (which is ultimately much easier for everyone in the long run than paci use).

It's funny, because my 'LO' is now 2 yrs old, but I remember this stage so, so clearly.

I never really cracked pat/sh 'properly' mainly because my DD has bad reflux, but I remember reading anything and everything about it!

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Re: Question about pat-shush
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2007, 18:13:27 pm »
Thank you!  That answers a lot.  I hope my questions weren't too ridiculous.  I have Tracy's first BW books and she doesn't go into a lot of detail about pat/shush.  I have ordered the new one.  I live overseas and they don't carry it at the bookstore I have available to me.  I'm anxious to read it!  I just have so many questions sometimes and I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing so I don't have to go back and correct things I've done wrong.  It's funny, this is my 4th baby (I didn't read BW until the toddler years for my #3) and I still feel like I haven't a clue sometimes, and then others I think I just might be figuring this out.  My first 3 are GREAT sleepers now so I know in the end, regardless of how you start out, if you keep on and recognize that sleep is important, it'll work itself out eventually and all your hard work will pay off. 

To answer your question, I do swaddle him, though I admit at times it seems to tick him off more than anything.  I'm just trusting the advice Tracy gives and keeping on with it.

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Re: Question about pat-shush
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2007, 08:28:01 am »
Hi again

Your questions were entirely NOT ridiculous! LOL. I read Tracy's first and second book and still I spent hours and hours poring over this website to get more tips and make sure I was doing it right!

Tracy's second book goes into pat/sh in much more detail than the first one, so it will be great when it arrives for you to read (be warned - it is a big book! - but a great book too).

Wow - 4 children - that's fantastic! I'm glad you said that the older 3 are all great sleepers - as I said before, we never really cracked pat/sh properly and still do a little bit of accidental parenting from time to time....  ::) It's good to actually here a real-life mum say that all children eventaully become good sleeps (well, I know that's not strictly true - some kids have genuine sleep disorders.... but you know what I mean!)

Yeah - the swaddle always has times where it ticks them off, in my experience. I usually found Katie was more annoyed with the swaddle if I was a little late in getting her to bed in her time window... i.e. a touch overtired.

Don't stop with your questions - if I don't get back to you, one of the more experienced pat/sh mums will! They are a great bunch here!

Take care and best wishes.  :-*