Need help with the 2-1 transiton when lo has a late am wake up?

[motherof3]

Hi All! I am in need of some advice! 

In the past Sami has given me great advice but I hate to burden her with all my questions, LOL!

Abby is almost 17 mnths old.  She is on an 8-8 routine.  She is doing great on this but she is taking 20-30mins to fall asleep for her naps (when trying to squeeze in 2 naps).  She can do 3.5hrs of A time right now. 

Today I let her sleep till 8:30am and put her down at 12:05pm and she slept till 2:10pm.  But her normal bedtime is 8pm so I don't know that she can make it till then.  That would be almost 6hrs of A time.  If I put her down at 7:30am she normally will still wake at 8am.  Not sure she can make it till 8:30am. 

On a two nap day this is what her routine looks like:

8am wake
11:30am nap #1 20-30mins (but it is taking longer for her to fall asleep, sometimes she isn't getting up until 12:30pm)
12:15/12:30wake
2:30-4pm nap #2 usually she gets just over 1hr of sleep
8pm bedtime

Today when she woke from the 2hr nap, she woke happy and was talking in her bed!   Sometimes when she just has that short 1st nap she is Crabby Abby!

So anyone have any ideas on how to do the 2-1 transition when she has an 8/8:30am wake up??  If she woke earlier it would be easier to squeeze in the 2 naps. 


TIA,

Andrea

[weatherlyn]

hi andrea, lynsey here, sorry i dont have any answers i am in exactly the same boat...luca is nearly 13 mths and we live in italy so we are also on a 9 to 9 (or some days 8 to and the afternoon nap is starting to give me probs. he goes down great for his morning nap, after 3hrs A time and lately i always seem to be waking him up from this one (which i hate doing) so as to squeeze in his afternoon nap, which is getting later and later.... (his afternoon A time is going from 4 hrs to 4.5)today he only fell asleep at nearly 6pm! i couldnt even wake him up, eventually he woke at 7pm, and bed time was nearly 10 pm as a result which is not good at all. So the way i am understanding the 2 to 1 thing is that we have two options
1. make sure that the morning nap is no longer than an hour so as to fit in the afternoon nap.
2. dont wake him up from the morning nap, see how long he sleeps for, and based on that decide whether or not he needs an afternoon nap, and then maybe just have the one nap and put him down at about 8pm for the night? and then try and get that morning nap to happen later in little bits?
i am just plain scared to start trying to make the transition in case it blows up in my face.. but i dont like it that at the mo i keep waking him from his sleep. my hubby suggested waking him up earlier in the morning so that we can fit in two naps, but i dont want to rob him of night time sleep for the sake of naps that he is going to grow out of anyway.

does anyone have any ideas for andrea and i?
thanks lynsey

[motherof3]

Hey Lynsey!

I am glad that their is someone else in my boat!  I know all the moms with early risers are just rolling their eyes at us, LOL!!

I started by shortening her am nap.  We did 45mins for awhile then we went to 30mins.  I think the rule is when they start having trouble going down for their afternoon nap, start shortening the morning nap.  Right now we do 20-30mins for her first nap.  I have tried 15mins but boy is she grouchy when I wake her up!!  I also always have to wake her up!   Even for her afternoon nap. 

Today when we just did the one nap from 12-2ish was the only time in forever that I didn't have to wake her.

I know what you mean about the two naps betting so late.  She was waking from her 2nd nap at 4pm.

But now with just the one she is up early so I don't know how she can make it to her normal 8pm bedtime.  Tonight I am trying 7:30pm since she was up just after 2pm.

Andrea

[andibig]

Hi Andrea (great name).
if she is now down to the one nap then for now i would do an early bedtime.so if she wakes at 2pm from her nap then i'd go for a 7pm bedtime (or earlier if you think she can't manage 5hrs A time).she is probably getting ready to drop the AM catnap if its pushing your PM nap too late (IMO)
HTH
Andrea
 

[weatherlyn]

well luca woke up today at 9.30 am (12 hrs straight) we are in the restaurant business so we dont have to get him anywhere so we dont worry about the late wake up, it fits right in with life here in italy, when in rome... anyways first nap was at 12.30 (tried to keep him bit later but no dice) and he slept for nearly two hours waking at 14h20, we went to friends for the afternoon for play date so he slept in car for 30mins from18hoo to 18h30 and put him to sleep at 21h00 half an hour earlier than usual
will see how tonight goes and what time he wakes up tomorrow. every baby is different and luca seems to enjoy his morning sleep the most , i just cant seem to get him to go that bit longer, even after 12 hrs straight at night..... little steps i guess... let me know if anyone has any advice, and andrea keep me posted

[motherof3]

Last night she went down at 7:30pm and she cried out a few times but I didn't hear a peep out of her until I went in to get her at 8:30am this morning!  That is 13hrs at night!  

So then she went down at 12:15pm for her nap and went until 2:30pm!  So I am shooting for an 8pm bedtime.  I know that she won't always be doing 13hrs at night but she always does (knock on wood) 12hrs.  If she gets up earlier then 8am she will never be able to do just one nap.  So I am hoping her keep her wake up b/w 8-8:30am.

Thanks for the help!

Andrea

[LLLena]

Hi ladies!  I think I've already told you, Andrea, of our transition, but I'll do so again in case there's a nugget of help for you.  We did the transition closer to 14 mos and when he consistently wouldn't take his second nap (for like 2 wks of adjusting things and it still didn't work for nap#2), I started extending this morning A-time.  And in the meantime when I gave his nap, I let him sleep as long as he wanted up to 3 hrs which meant feeding a light snack or something just enought to hold him over until after the nap.  Otherwise, I would consistently overshoot the "perfect" naptime and make him OT.  So our current routine is:
8/830 wake
1230-1ish nap for up to 3 hrs (usually 2.5)
8/830 bedtime

Now, there are some days that he needs an earlier nap and somedays that he'll be so wound up that he'll nap comes closer to 2, but mostly he sticks to routine.  When I've had to put him down "earlier" for bed it is still 7-730 and the morning might come a little earlier, but I really think it will sort itself out for you.  Trust me though, I LOVE my 8/830 wake up.  Aidan's even slept in until 915 before!  That was unintentional on my part even though I was extatic that he did. LOL.  The early risers are going to hunt me down for saying that!

I hope that is helpful in some way to both of you.  Good luck!
Lena

[motherof3]

Thanks Lena!!!   I am shooting for that same routine!!  I know that once I get her there it will be just in time for Day Light Savings and it will mess it all up!!

Andrea

[andibig]

Lena
LOL about the early risers!!! Sasha was an early riser until she was 11 mths old

Andrea
i'm pretty sure she'll keep giving you long nights.When we transitioned sasha to 1 nap we would regularly get 12.5-13 hrs sleep at night (heaven!!!).even now we still get 11hrs at night mostly with a 2hr nap.

Andrea

[motherof3]

Andrea:  Yes, I am keeping my finger crossed that the long nights continue!  Even when she was OT during our vacation she still had no nwings and did 12hrs at night!  I am so lucky!  I think she is making up for all the h@ll she put me through for the first 4+ months of her life, LOL!!

So I checked and have some time, we don't turn the clocks back until the first Sunday in November!

Andrea

[LLLena]

Andrea (motherof3--- almost put Hotmama - Don't worry too much about the time change.  It's only an hour and that's a pretty easy transition imo.  Coming from KY to MI, it is an hr's difference and it wasn't hard at all. 
- Just read on the other thread that she did a great nap for you today... I am SURE it will sort itself out for you.  Adjust her nap/bedtime accordingly and she'll come around for you. 

Andrea (sashas momma)- LOL on the early riser... glad you came to our side of that fence!  I still think when I talk about ds's routine on our birth thread, some of the girls want to strangle me.

TTFN
Lena

[SAHNE]

No advice Andrea, but as you know I'm working on the transition with Carter, however he's not giving me long nights with 1 nap, so we're getting up earlier and then is having trouble making it to 12:30 for a nap and anything earlier seems too early, so I think I'm going to try and do 1 nap on days when he wakes after 8 and 2 if he wakes before, snikeys this is harder than I ever imagined. 

[weatherlyn]

i am having a terrible day of it today, luca had a sore tummy early this morning so he was up from 4 am to 630, then finally back to sleep until 9.45 am, i was hoping to get him to last until 13hoo but no luck, he went down at 12h30.....for 45 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he hasnt done a 45min since 6mths old!!! he did have a poo in his nappy so maybe that woke him? now i really dont know what to do........ he wont be tired now until around 5pm, and then i will have to wake him at 6pm, and he will be grumpy until bedtime which wont be until nearly 10pm, but 12h30 till even 7pm is too  long and he has dinner at 730 normally..... i dont know what to do!!!!!! help!!

[andibig]

sorry hun
we were school uniform shopping today for stepson so have only just logged on.how did your day go??

[weatherlyn]

hi sashas mummy, thank you for asking, he has a little fever today, and two back molars coming in, so that was the prob with yesterday, he ended up having a second nap that i woke him from at 18h15, which was then an hour long, and he went down at 21h30 for 11 hrs... today we only had one two hour nap he went down at 11h45, i just cant seem to stretch the 3 hr A time in the morning, he is spirited and he screams when he is tired.. not even by 15 mins, and he slept until 13h40, and absolutely refused a second nap and he lasted really well until 8pm a bit crabby at dinner but i think that is also the fever, well he absolutely passed out at 8pm. i have never had a prob putting him to bed but i have never seen him pass out so quickly ever. hope that we get a good 12 hrs tonight. if only i could stretch the morning A just a little...but i know it takes time.... should i totally stop offering the 2nap, because all he does is scream and throw a tantrum and i am worn out as is, and just carry on with the early bed time? andrea, how goes it?