Overtired 19month old--what the heck due you do to fix it?

[andibig]

Debs
I don't think you should feel like the bad guy .Sasha is very spirted too and she NEEDS her routine.
I think regardless of the type of child travelling etc throws them all off.I know i don't sleep well the first night in a hotel either.
Hope your trip goes OK honey
Andrea

[nursekat]

People don't realize that there are all kinds of babies and toddlers out there as far as sleep goes, and KUDOS to you for realizing that he is touchy and needs his routine!!  I hope you can continue to find support here and know that you know what is best for your LO.  And bop your DH on the head for me. 

[debo620]

thanks guys, don't worry Kathleen,----I had a few choice words for DH at 3 in the morning.
my sis is the total opposite of me---absoultely no routine and her kids sleep fine, they can sleep in their beds or in her bed---whatever, I just wish I didn't worry so much.

Kathleen, how are you doing?----haven't seen you on the 2-1nap switch thread lately.

[debo620]

well in bed for 6pm, but is haveing a very tough time going to sleep, its 7pm and he is still not asleep. we've had to go in twice due to crying. the rest of the time he has been pouting a bit.

[brightside]

We went through a very similar phase to this when DS was 19months so I'm wondering if it is a developmental blip. Just hang in there. He'll get out of the OT cycle soon but it takes a while. As for AP, I have done that when DS has been in an OT cycle just to ensure he gets the sleep he needs. If you really think sitting with him will get him to sleep earlier then go for it but be prepared to deal with the consequences afterwards. If he is usually an independent sleeper then it won't take long to get him back to that. However, if you don't believe he will actually go to sleep any quicker then I would try to avoid it if possible.

[debo620]

well  I went in last night, gave him a quick hug and left. then he was off to sleep and slelpt til 6:30 this morning with no night wakings. but he is a bit grumpy this am, so we will see what the day brings. I kind of have the feeling that he is getting his 2nd back right molar. breakfast has been such a battle this am, absoltuley refusing to eat normal cereal and fruit but is then looking for food in the pantry. I gave him advil last nigth and I'm not sure if that is the difference.

[KathrynK]

hi deb
we're having the breakfast battle too these last couple weeks. Also sleep horrors (don't know if you've seen my thread)
Sophie too is teething but there seems too many of us at this age having the same issues for it to be solely teething. Am coming to the conclusion that it's another of these lovely developmental phases we just have to ride out.
I know that's not very helpful to you  but just wanted to send you a virtual hug. I'm hating this phase as much as you xx

[A_C]

I just has to be a developmental thing!  I as well started a thread a while back...DD is the same age, used to be an independent sleeper and gave me no problems with sleeping through the night .  Currently she is having difficulty going to sleep..just came from her room right now after she cried for me....tried to soothe her and I'm now keeping my fingers crossed...talking to herself again (sighhh).  Been having several nights of NW (or shall I say early morning wakings)...3:33 this morning (2 am yesterday morning..sighh).  I can't really tell for sure if she is teething as I don't see much to indicate. Needless to say, I am at such a loss and need to lurk on here as well, as I'm at my wits end right now and am pretty desperate. 

Ana

[andibig]

This is a developmental phase they go through at this age.don't why they just do .
Natasha started a sticky on the sleep toddler forum and there was at 4-5 of us having the same problems with LOs at the same age.

[nursekat]

Kathleen, how are you doing?----haven't seen you on the 2-1nap switch thread lately.

BUSY...with a house move from hell...but we are solid on one nap and I don't want to go to that thread because whenever I post there it jinxes me.    Thanks for asking, though! 

Don't know a thing about 19 months, but is it possible it's an age where they're ready for less daytime sleep again?

[debo620]

Hi all, so hwat on earth is this developmental phase. i muct be an indication tha the rouine needs changing.
well we were on vacation and Noah slept wonderfully. managed to sleep at least 11hrs straight through and even one 12hr night, naps were also good. this was in hotels and then also at my noisy aunts house. he was going to bed later then I thought he should because of family gatherings etc and he did fine.

we are back home and struggling again. I know he is tired because he is rubbing his eyes quite randomly.

here was last night:
woke at 6:30
nap 12-2 woke on his own 2hrs exactly (used to be 2hrs15min)
bed at 6:50 and asleep by 7:20pm
then woke briefly at 5:10am and then for sure at 5:45am, and then maybe dozed off and on and then back to sleep at 6:45am and I woke him at 7:15am.

so then todays nap was 12:15-2:15
bed at 6:50am and I think he is asleep now at 7:30pm.

so I am wondering if he would do better on a 1.5hr nap, that he may fall asleep a little closer to 7pm and actually sleep through til 6:30am.
at what age do most kids drop to a 1.5hr nap?

he just doesn't ever seem relaxed and ready for bed when I put him down. 

[brightside]

I would be tempted to keep a 2 hour nap if he is waking at night. When DS did a similar thing I thought his needs were changing but with hindsight I don't think they were-it was just a phase. If DS sleeps really well at night eg 11.5 hours sleep then he will be quite happy with a 1.5 hour nap. Having said that I do wake him by 2pm (if he's had 1.5 hours) to ensure that he will be in bed by 7pm and asleep by 7.30-doesn't always work though! Lately he has been wanting his nap at 11.30 and I have had to wake him at 2  I tend to work on 5hours A time for a nap that is less than 1h45 and 5.5 hours if a 2h nap.

[debo620]

thanks brightside,
yes we are at about the same for A times. he is usuallly up by 2pm these days so nap is 12-2 and then bed for 7pm so that he is hopefully asleep by 7:30

so last night he woke at 3:30am and then finally back to sleep at 5:15, he woke initially crying and then playing and fussing. he then slept in a bit, probably til 7am (I was already at work  )
nap was 12-2, which is what it would be on the normal rouitine without NW.
should I try even earlier for bed, I think he would be quite upset! and although he is rubbing his eyes hes not sleepy, KWIM?

I also know he is teething, but that can't be totally to blame since it has no effect while we were away.

[debo620]

okay, I honeslty don't think we will ever get over this OT. Noah is spending sooooo much time in his crib not sleeping. aaaaargh---I know he is OT.
he is teething and has a cold.

lastnight was awful.
he was asleep by 7:15
but awake from 1:30-4:30
finally back to sleep til 7:15. so like 9hrs of sleep

I tried to give ealier nap
had him in bed for 11:40
well he fussed and cried til finally falling asleep at 12:15
woke at 1:25 crying.
so I had him in bed for 5:50pm
its now 7:10pm and I think he MAY be asleep.

just don't know what to do, there doesn't seem to  be enough hours in the day, mostly because we are having the LONG NW. he is crying every time I lay him down, nap and night. I think this is the worse we have ever had for teething.

[nursekat]

Remember different teeth can have different symptoms...have you tried giving him anything for pain relief?  Also, any thoughts on an ear infection?  They hurt worse when laying down from the increased pressure in the ear...sometimes LOs can have no symptoms of ear infections...just sounds like more than OT to me now...