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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 15:33:43 pm »
Yesterday I woke her up at 2:15 from her afternoon nap and she had a catnap from 4:15 to 5:00.  I put her in the bath a few minutes before 7:00 and put her in her bed at 7:25.  I had to do shh/pat until 7:40 to get her settled.
Last night she woke up at 4:00.  I did gentle removal for 20ish min. and she settled down but didn't fall asleep.  I am not sure how much she did sleep after that.  She would be quiet for long stretches and then fuss off and on until 6:00 so I'm not sure if she was asleep during the quiet stretches or not.  At 6:00 she pooped so I got her up and changed her and put her back down.  I don't think she fell asleep until after 6:30 and I woke her up at 7:10.
I do think the catnap was a good thing yesterday, she was happier at night and my husband got to play with her.
I know it takes babies time to adjust but two days in a row my LO had about 3 hours of daytime sleep and still was up for extended stretches at night.  Last night was the same as the night before, she wasn't squirming or wide awake, but she was awake and fussy.  It's also been 4 nights since I've fed her during the night.
I'm trying to be encouraged that she slept until 4:00 before waking up, but I don't understand why she isn't sleeping!!
Any other ideas or suggestions you have I would be happy to try!
--Amanda
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 02:03:14 am »
Give it some time..... try for bedtime earlier than 7pm cause if its taking you 20mins to settle her she might be already too tired & they are much harder to settle when ot. So I would start the bedtime routine around 6:15pm (bath, etc...) so that she is nice & put her in cot BY 7pm. Like I said in my pp, the last A time is shorter than other A times of the day because she's only had a catnap & its just enough to help her until bedtime.... so you could try catnap from 4:30-5:15 with a 7pm bedtime (in the cot by 7pm) so that the last A time is a little shorter than 2hrs & see if she will settle sooner for you.

My guess is that after about 3-4 days of keeping her well rested & waking her up (not letting her sleep too long during the day) those hours will add onto night time & she won't be staying awake for prolong period of time :-\.
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 14:46:48 pm »
We made progress last night.  I had her in her bed a little before 7:00, but she wasn't settled until close to 7:30.  She woke up a little before 2:00 and made trying to fall asleep noises for about a half an hour then started crying.  I went in and got her settled in under 10 min.  Twenty min. later she cried again and I again got her settled in under 10 min.  So, she was awake less than hour all together.  She woke up again at 5:50 and I got her settled in a couple of min. and she slept until 7:00.  So, I think we are headed in the right direction??
I will try to keep her evening A time shorter and see if that helps, I do think it was too long last night.  Here is what yesterday looked like:
E: 7:10
A:
S: 9:10
A: 9:50
E: 11:00
A:
S: 11:40
A: 1:20
E: 2:45
A:
S: 3:30
A: 4:20
Started bedtime routine at 6:30, in bed by 7:00

I also have a question.  Yesterday her a.m. nap was 40 min. today it was one hour.  If her a.m. nap is less than 1.5 hours should I still wake her up at 1.5 hours in the afternoon or let her sleep longer.  I wouldn't let her sleep more than 2 hours regardless.  Just wondering what you think?
« Last Edit: October 10, 2007, 19:01:38 pm by Amandamom »
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 20:38:16 pm »
I would probably still wake at the risk of protecting the catnap :-\... but you could try (the next time she takes a short morning nap) to let her sleep 2hrs in the pm & hopefully it won't affect the catnap

Also some babies take shorter morning naps... especially if they sleep well at night (since the morning nap is continuation of night sleep). With my dd1 her morning nap never went beyond 1hr but she did 12hrs at night & I was ok with that....



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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2007, 23:42:46 pm »
I woke her up at 1 hr 45 min. this afternoon and she went down fine for her catnap...I had to wake her at 45 min.  So, I have high  hopes for tonight  :) we'll see how it goes.
I'll plan to limit all naps to 1.5 hours for now until we get the nights figured out.
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2007, 14:15:41 pm »
Last night was great!!  ;D  She woke up a little before 1:00, but I only had to do the paci in and out once and she settled back down and went back to sleep!  She woke up at 6:10 and I didn't have much luck getting her settled again, so I got her up at 6:45.
This is the best night we've had in weeks!!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for all of your help, support and ecouragement!!!
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2007, 20:24:05 pm »
Thats great to hear ;D!!!



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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2007, 16:04:31 pm »
Ugh!  She was up for over an hour during the night last night.  Then up again less than 2 hours after I finally got her settled.  I know regressions happen, but this is so frustrating because I thought we were making such good progress.  She hasn't fallen asleep with the paci in two weeks, she hasn't eaten during the night in 6 days and her daytime sleep has been limited to 3 to 3.5 hours for this entire week, I don't know what else to do to get her to sleep at night!!!
I'm probably going to stop posting about this because I feel bad bothering you everyday and you have been such a huge help that I don't know what else you could possibly do.  I think my LO just needs to figure out that she can sleep all the way through the night.
Here's what yesterday looked like in case you have any suggestions, but if not I want to thank you again for all of you help and patience and support.

Woke up between 6:15 and 6:30 and played in her crib.
E: 6:45
A:
S: 8:45
A: 10:00
E: 10:45
A:
S: 12:00
A: 1:30
E: 2:30
A:
S: 3:45
E: 4:30
A:
started bedtime routine at 6:10, in  bed by 6:40.  It took her 40 min. to settle down and fall asleep.  I am going to try to have her in bed by 6:30 tonight to see if that helps.  I am hesitant to put her down earlier than that even with the early catnap because I don't want her to wake up for the day at 5:30 or 6.
--Amanda
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 17:00:27 pm »
Hugs.
You are right, sometimes there are regressions and often times once you think things are smoothe a milestone or tooth comes along. Try to stay consistant and she will get there. 

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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2007, 19:58:00 pm »
Okay, I know I said I wouldn't post again, but last night she was up 5 times between 12:00 and 6:30.  Plus, yesterday and today her naps have only been 45 min. to an hour which means she is taking her catnap at 3:00.  I know I need to be consistent and I am, but I still feel like I must be doing something wrong.  She started only waking once during the night at 6 weeks and would go right back to sleep, so why is she doing this now??
Is it possible that she needs even more A time during the day?  I've been giving her 2 hrs. to 2 hrs. 15 min. depending on her tired signs, should I stretch to 2.5 hours or more?  She seems too young for that, but I'm grasping at straws.  Maybe I do need to just stick it out, but it seems lately everyone I see has a story about a 6 or 8 week old baby sleeping all the way through the night.
I know you guys must be sick of hearing about my issue because I'm sick of thinking about it, but I REALLY appreciate you listening to me.
--Amanda
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2007, 17:03:54 pm »
What is happening over night?  When she wakes, what does it take to get her to go back to sleep?  I think if you are being consistant with your routine and paying attention to tired signs there must be something else going on. 

Don't listen to people who say that there 6 week old is sleeping through the night, because they aren't.  ::) People use that phrase all the time and for some it means skipping a feed and for others it means 12 hours.  Don't pay attention to that.
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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2007, 21:05:25 pm »
What happended last night was she woke up at 12:40, I went in and gave her the paci, waited for her sucking to slow down and then I took it out and she settled back down and went back to sleep.  She woke up again at 3:00 and the same thing happened.  Then she woke up for a third time at 4:20, I gave her the paci, waited for her sucking to slow down and then I took it out, she fussed and rooted for the paci so I gave it back, I repeated this for 20 min. and she settled back down and I thought she would go back to sleep.  I went back to bed and about 10 min. later I heard her making noise, but she wasn't crying so I didn't do anything.  At about 5:15 she started crying so I went in and gave her the paci, etc. only this time she never settled back down, everytime I took it out she cried.  This went on until 6:45 when I got her up and fed her.  She then was awake and in a fairly good mood until I put her down for her nap at 8:45.  She napped for 1 hr. 10 min.
She had 2.5 hrs of A time in between her morning and afternoon nap.  She wasn't showing tired signs but at 2 hrs. 15 min. I started the wind down, but after putting her in her bed it took her 25 min. to fall asleep and she only slept for 30 min.
Yesterday and today I've been trying to just watch for tired signs and not worry too much about the clock, but yesterday after her afternoon nap she was in a great mood--laughing and talking and blowing raspberries and she ended up with 3 hrs of A time.  She still wasn't acting tired but I put her down for her nap and it took almost 45 min. to get her down.  She then slept for 45 min. when I woke her up.
I don't know if she is so hard to put down at naps because she is overtired or not tired enough.  She woke up from her catnap yesterday at 5:15 and I put her in the bath at 6:15 and she was in bed by 6:40.  She took about a half an hour to fall asleep but she did it on her own without any shh/pat.
So basically, I don't know what to do.  I feel like I'm doing something wrong or I'm not reading her cues right or she is so thrown off that she isn't showing tired signs.
Prior to starting paci weaning she was napping well and sleeping well at night (I thought).  I was just having to replug her a few times a night so I decided to wean.  Plus, it had been my intention from the beginning to wean her off the paci by 6 months.  Since I've taken the paci away everything has been a disaster.  I think the paci was masking the sleep problem though.  I think she was awake for long periods during the night but was content to lay there with a paci, so when I thought she had woken up and cried to be replugged, it's possible that she had been awake the entire time and I didn't know about it.
Yesterday she only had 2.5 hours of daytime sleep and was still awake from 4:20 a.m. on after being put to bed by 6:40 and asleep by 7:00.
I really feel like if I could just figure out what I'm doing wrong then I could fix the problem.  It is also getting harder and harder to do the gentle removal of the paci when I know I could just give her the paci and go back to bed, even though I know it wouldn't solve the problem.  Before I started gentle removal I thought I could wean from the paci cold turkey which resulted in her crying and me shh/patting for hours during the night.  She is not falling asleep with the paci at night, I don't give it to her at all except in the middle of the night when I do gentle removal.
I don't know if I should stop the gentle removal...is she waking up for the paci even though she's not falling asleep with it??
Today her morning nap was 1 hr. and her afternoon nap was 30 min.  I don't know if her nap was short because she was OT because 2.5 hours was too much A time or if she is just OT all the time now because she is barely sleeping.
I'm sorry to keep bombarding you with info and questions, but I am at wits end.  It feels like everything I try doesn't work and being consistent with what  I'm doing isn't helping.  She hasn't fallen asleep with the paci in 2.5 weeks, she hasn't eaten during the night in 9 days, I haven't even picked her up out of her crib during the night for a week, and I've been limiting her daytime naps for almost a week, although the last few days her naps have been so short that I haven't had to wake her up.
I don't think I can say thank you enough for all of advice and support you've already given me, but if you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate it.  :)
--Amanda
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2007, 13:43:10 pm »
Last night she slept through the night!  ;D  I didn't have to go into her room at all between 7:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m.  She ate before bed at 6:15 pm so I knew at 6:00 a.m. when she cried that she was hungry so I got her up for the day.  Unfortunately, I've learned from past experience that this probably won't continue, but at least we both got some rest last night!!
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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2007, 17:46:39 pm »
That is great the you both got some sleep! 

You might not want to hear this but I think maybe you should ditch the paci all together.   :-\   I know you are probably gasping for breath right now but I think it will help.  I guess my thoughts are that we need to really get rid of anything that COULD be a problem and it could be. 
You mentioned that you woke her from a nap at 45 min, was that the cat nap?  She needs to be getting good day sleep so continue to work on that. 

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Re: help! We both need our sleep!
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2007, 18:15:27 pm »
Yes, I woke her up from her catnap after 45 min.  The other naps I let her sleep for 1.5 hrs if she goes that long.  Last night I didn't use the paci at all since she didn't wake up until 6:00.  :-\  You're right I don't want to go back to crying at night, but I agree that taking the paci away completely is the right thing to do.
Her a.m. nap was 1 hr 15 min. today so we're off to a good start for the day.
As always THANKS for all of your support!!!!!
--Amanda
Mommy to Ian, 12, Lila, 2 and Cara, born 11/10/09