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So hard to sort out all the information!
« on: November 14, 2007, 18:12:55 pm »
Hi!

Am hoping someone can give me some suggestions, have read through a few other posts and still am confused about my situation.
I had two wonderfully peaceful sleepers until the last few months.  My dd is almost 3 and my ds has just turned 12 months old in October.  My dd has been a "put myself to sleep" sleeper since 8 months old...most recently she would just read her books quietly in bed until she fell asleep.  A few months back I went for supper with my gal pals and let dh put the kids to sleep.  Since then our dd is a NIGHTMARE at bedtime.  Screams for "Mommy! I have to pee! I want water! I peed my pants! I need another book! My back hurts!  I don't feel good!"  These are just a few of the things she screams most nights when I put her to sleep...I put a glass of water on her dresser for her to drink whenever she wants it, I let her take the stories we read for bedtime to sleep with her, she has her favorite stuffed animals to sleep with, her favorite blankets...but it doesn't end there.  For the past month or so, she has been sneaking into bed with me.  Most times I do not even feel her climb up until she wakes me in the morning...I realize that when dh put her to bed without me it was a little scary for her (my dh works away from home so I am the one to do everything) but this is getting ridiculous.  There have been a handful of times I have woken up when she has at night and met her at the door and got her back to her bed but I have ended up laying down with her in her bed to get her to sleep.  Any suggestions for that one?
Now the 12 month old son...he has been a "roll over and drift off to sleep myself" since he was 4 months old.  We have been sooooo lucky with him.  Since about 6 months old he has gone to bed at 8:00pm and woken at 5:30am for a bf and then went back to sleep for a few more hours.  That has always been ok with me for as long as I am going to bf him.  In the past few weeks though he has been waking at night sporadically (sometimes at 12am sometimes at 2am sometimes at 4 am) and the only thing that can get him back to sleep is a bf (which I have stoopidly done b/c I am waking for some reason (one of the kids, the dog, the cat) more than a few times/night and I am EXHAUSTED!) I have tried going to bed early to make sure I am not tired when the kids wake but I toss and turn until midnight or so.  He used to wake at night a few times and I would go back into his room tuck him in again, say goodnight, time to sleep and off he would go.  He has always been the kind of baby who does not like to see anyone in his room when he is going to sleep so for those few times he has needed some help in the sleep department it has been challenging.  Last night he woke at 2:15am and cried until 3:30am with me in his room, everytime he sat up I would lay him back down until he finally crashed...I sat there for another 15 minutes and then the furnace kicked in so I was pretty sure he wouldn't hear the floor creak, I got into bed, about 45 seconds later, here comes dd into our bedroom, "I'm not feeling good, I need to sleep with mom" and about a minute after that he started crying again...at 4:00am I gave in and bf him b/c I was tired and needed to sleep, then I tossed and turned until 5am cuz I was so worked up and frustrated.
I am very sorry this is so long, I just don't know what else to try so I can get a good sleep, it is affecting my daytime parenting and it needs to change soon.  Any suggestions would be so very appreciated!

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Re: So hard to sort out all the information!
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2007, 18:17:27 pm »
Oh btw, I forgot to mention naps.  My dd sometimes has an afternoon nap but if she does, she sleeps for 2 hours and then I know for sure she will be awake in her room (most of the time upset) from 8:00pm when I put her down until 10-10:30pm.  So I have been not giving her an afternoon nap and then she will go into her room at 8:00pm and most of the time she will be asleep sometime b/w 9 and 9:30pm.
My ds has a morning nap b/w 9:30 and 10am sometimes for an hour and half sometimes 2 hours sometimes 1 hour...then another one b/w 1-2pm and that again is for b/w 1.5 and 2 hours.  At 8:00pm I put him in his crib and don't hear another word until he is waking at night.
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Re: So hard to sort out all the information!
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 20:18:37 pm »
Hi there,

HUGS to you.  I have to admit I don't visit the sleep boards often, as my DS is a horrible sleeper and I often am not sure if my advice will have merit.  But, I do have the experience of reading about 1000 posts and every book under the sun related to sleep :P, so I am hoping I might be able to help a little bit.

If you want to be sure she doesn't crawl into bed without you knowing, perhaps put a bell or some such thing on her door so that you know when she leaves the room (and hopefully it will be loud enough for you to hear.)  I believe around this age is when nightmares can start.  So perhaps DH putting DD to bed just kind of coincided with this developmental stage?

I would be 100% consistant with her, saying, "here is your water, here is your blanket" and be sure that every possible excuse is taken care of before you leave the room.  If she comes out, lead her back to bed, no talking or interaction.  Do this 100 times if necessary.  She will understand. Is she old enough to read a clock, understand the number 6 or 7 ?(or whatever time you find suitable for her to awake).  Put a digital clock on her nightstand and attach a piece of paper with the appropriate number on it.  Tell her she cannot come out of her room in the morning until the numbers match.

As for lying down with her.  If you are happy with this arrangement, then continue to do it.  If not, stop doing it right now as it will become a prop.  (please, i am not judging, just speaking from 2.5 years of inconsistant sleep training, holding hands, lying down with my son...all of which I am going to change starting this Friday as a matter of fact!)  I'll be back if I think of more for DD.  BTW, strongly advise giving up the nap and going with quiet time and the early bedtime.  Perhaps you need to make bedtime a touch earlier when there is no nap.  By 8pm she might be quite overtired and that's why she cannot settle until 9-9:30pm.  OH, and you don't mention her regular wake-up time???

As for DS, it's been a while since i've been there but can think of two things.  1) is 3-4 hours day sleep perhaps too much now, and he's not tired enough to make it through the night?  Have you tried cutting his naps, just a little bit, perhaps 15 minutes off of both for a few days to see if that helps. 2) 12 months old, peak teething time for 1 year molars??? Or incisors?  take a peak, perhaps he's in pain.  That's all i can think of for him....I'm sure you'll get lots of wonderful advice...I just can't remember that far back (and I was in a sleep deprived fog anyway :P)

Best of luck to you and HUGE HUGE hugs.  I of course had to post to help a fellow Canadian.  Forgive my ignorance, where is Carvel?

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Re: So hard to sort out all the information!
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 20:28:23 pm »
Hi
I think Traci has given you some wonderful advice ;D.
I agree with the sleep of DS that he may be having too much daytime sleep and this is impacting on his night sleep.DD at that age was having 1hr in the AM and 1.5 hrs in the PM.Also there could be the possibilty that he is teething as this is the age those pesky molars make an appearance.
With your DD (again Traci gave great advice) i'd still give her a nap but maybe limit it to an hour.The only way we stopped DD visiting us in the night was to put a stair gate in front of her door.
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Re: So hard to sort out all the information!
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 17:42:40 pm »
Thanks for the advice!  I am going to try cutting ds's naps back a bit and see what that does...last night he cried out once at 2am but thankfully he was able to fall back asleep on his own.  And after all of that, last night dd had a temp of 39.5 celcius, and couldn't sleep unless she was with mommy.  Ah well, it seems as if she is feeling better today.  The stair gate won't work for her, she's been climbing over those for a while now.  Her wakeup time is usually between 7;30 and 8 am.  I think for her what it boils down to is that I have to have the stamina in the middle of the night to lead her back to bed and make her stay there on her own, and then get ds back to sleep because dd would inevitably be screaming and wake him up.  Ah the joys!  I'll try putting her windchime on the door so I can hear when she comes out of her room.
Thanks again for the insights!  I'll have to see what the pair of them do tonight.  Btw, ds is getting 6 teeth.  Now that I have had a good look, this is probably one of the reasons he has been waking...poor little man!
Oh...and Carvel is a hamlet west of Edmonton, Alberta!  Maybe I should've kept it simple and said "Sleepless in Alberta".
Thanks!
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