SA and molars connected?

[skatty]

Leorah has recently transitioned to one nap and has finally become a superstar sleeper, goes down easily for naps and bed, sleeps independantly and we have had no NWS and she has started sleeping in until around 8am (used to be 6). Anyway last night we had our first NW in ages but was kind of expecting she may wake up as she has two molars coming through but we decided she is having so much medicine we'd rather wait and see if she needs it. She was crying her sad little teething cry that we have come to know so after 15 mins when we knew she wouldn't get back off DH went and gave her some medicine. Now normally she would roll back over and go to sleep but she cried when he left so he did WIWO and she became hysterical and wouldn't calm down so I ended up going in and had to comfort her out of the cot. When I put her back in I had to sit by the cot as she was really upset and was checking I was there. Anyway today when she went down for her nap she started to cry when I left (she sleeps outside in her pram) so I went back to her and she grabbed my finger and wouldn't let go and was asleep within a min, I heard her wake and resettle without calling for me. DH said when he put her to bed last night she was the same, she held his finger for about 2 minutes and then rolled over and went to sleep (DH wasn't going to tell me this as I get furious if he doesn't do the same as me after all her sleep training!). During the day she is quite clingy with me too but will go off and do stuff and then come crawling back to me every now and then. She is on the verge of walking, just needs to let go of my finger and as I mentioned before has 2 molars coming, do you think this effecting her? I am so scared things are going to go back to how they used to be after a really good couple of months.

BY the way she is almost 14 months and had her 1st bout of SA very early and skipped the usual 7/8 month lot.

[LeesMom]

Oh yes... I really think teething molars and SA are connected! We're working on the 2 yr. molars here (didn't have it quite so much with the first set) and I have never seen DD be quite as clingy as she has been lately, poor thing. I totally understand about being scared about sleep problems/AP starting again... but IMHO sometimes you just have to do what you have to do when they're sick or teething. I would try not to take her out of her crib to comfort her though. If she only has to hold your finger for a couple minutes to fall asleep, I would say that's not too bad and she may very well go back to falling asleep independently after her teeth cut through. If not, once she's feeling better then WI/WO might work better at that time. For what it's worth, after DD's molar cut through last week, she went back pretty quickly to being more independent/less clingy/less crying, etc. Too bad we have more to go    HTH and good luck 

[skatty]

Thank you Jenny, I think you are right, I'm sure it's her teeth as she chewed through a dummy today and has bright red cheeks. When I said good night tonight (DH does the bedtime routine) she cried when I left, she then held DH's finger for about a minute and then rolled over and went to sleep. We gave her some paracetomel tonight and some gel on her gums but I have heard her moaning in her sleep. Normally WI/WO is the best, I have never done it more than 3 times and she can cry angrily then settle down but yesterday she was so upset she was hyperventilating  If she wakes toníght for medicine we have already decided we will give it to her and sit by the cot not saying anything, at least I know she can sleep independantly and throughout the night so I am not going to stress about it!

I hope your DD's last molars cut through quickly and as painlessly as possible 

[LeesMom]

Thanks!  I hope things get back to normal for you soon too.

[skatty]

L has another molar breaking through  now so that's 3 coming through and one to go so I am pretty confident this is causing the clingy moody behaviour. Teething SUCKS! I feel like I am just counting the teeth off as they come through now 9 through 11 to go, yikes!!

[em_here]

I agree, teething does suck, my 11 month old only has 2, and I always think ugh loads left to go! She is always clingy when they are hurting her bad too.... I know theres an age difference, but am glad am I not alone 

[Aly Mac]

We're cutting the two top molars here too (that makes 11 now!! ) and the SA has gotten bad.  If she's with me and I take her from dad, she cries and vice verse.....I think you just need to work through it.  I think when Lil is OT with teeth, or tummy problems, it's always worse. Like everthing is amplified...

good luck, know you are not alone!!!

ps> I find hyland teething tablets are good for when she is a little unsettled, so I'm only giving paracetemol when they are really bad...

[skatty]

So glad I am not alone, though I dont want to wish the misery on anyone!

I really want to try those Hylands but they don't have them here in Denmark, I will search on the net, maybe ebay? I have used New Era teething tablets with a bit of success but right now I find gel the best as it's instant.

Luckily we have had no more NWs though I do hear her moan away in her sleep so I am not sure how restorative it is and she is waking at 7 instead of the recent 8ams we've been getting but I'm not complaining as she is still sleeping 13hrs at night and she used to wake at 6am! The clinginess can drive me mad but I have decided to ride it through and carry her everwhere on my hip or let her walk around hanging on to my trouser leg! She'll still play independantly (I say play but spread mess around the room is more like it!) as long as I ma in the same room.

I hope all the babies cut their teeth quickly and give their mums a break 

[Sadiebird]

I'm so glad I just read this thread.  My 2 year old is cutting molars and has had terrible nap and nighttime SA since it started.  I haven't had a problem putting him down for a nap since he was 5 months old and suddenly he's hysterical when I lay him in the crib, even if he's exhausted.  I was doing WIWO and he wasn't responding to it the way he normally does, so I stopped by this site to see if I could find what the problem may be.  I'm guessing this is it.  I guess I'll have to sleep in the floor until those teeth come through and hopefully that will be the end of it!

[skatty]

Sadiebird I am sure everything will go back to normal once they have cut through, the other day Leorah woke mid nap so I went to hold her hand and she looked at me as if I was mad, pushed my hand away and turned around and went back to sleep 

[Sadiebird]

Oh gosh, I'm hoping for that.  It's funny, Noah has always been such a great napper, so it's so weird for this to be happening right now.  I tried sleeping on the floor and by the second day he wouldn't lay down even if I layed on the floor next to his crib.  So I had to go back to WIWO.  I know, terribly inconsistent, but he's responding much better to WIWO now and today is the third day of it.  The first two days, it took an hour to get him down for his nap.  Today it just took 20 minutes.  Hooray!!

I realized also that it's not just the molars that are probably the problem.  Since Halloween, he's been sick twice, we went on a cruise, my husband started a new job and has been coming home late and then went on a business trip for four days.  It's no wonder my DS is having trouble sleeping!!

[Sadiebird]

Hooray!!!  Noah gave me no trouble with his nap today and it's only day 4 of starting WIWO!

[jfbd6805]

Hi Skatty!

Yes I truly think the molars and SA are connected too! My DS is so clingy lately (won't even let my DH do the bath with him anymore) and I can't be too far away from him or he gets really fussy. We have been having NWs too (as you know... thanks for your input on my thread) so I am sure this all goes with the territory. Is Leorah walking yet? I think when my DS began to walk and explore his independance that's when he also got really clingy.

Hope things settle down for us both soon,

Jude

[skatty]

Sadiebird that is great that WIWO is working for you, it has been brilliant for us too 

Hi Jude so funny you should ask as today Leorah started to walk properly (she has been doing a few tottery steps for a while!) Today she has suddenly been a real mummy's girl again, woke in the middle of her nap coughing, has a runny nose and has 3 dirty nappies so I am sure her 4th molar is about to make an appearence! Good luck with the NWs, we put Leorah down for her nap at 4½hrs and into bed 5hrs after her nap though a month ago this was 4hrs15 and 4½hours.

Katt