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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #255 on: February 08, 2008, 12:58:03 pm »
Leslie, thats a great day.  I think you may finally have hit upon the right routine, 1.5hrs nap at her age is really not bad and when her nights start to extend again then things really should look up.  Just keep carrying it on.... as I think all your efforts are starting to pay off.  I'm just really sorry it's been such a huge battle for you.

I hope that once she does get back onto 1 nap (in good time of course) then her sleep will be vastly different to how its been, much like Leorahs who was also a short napper.

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« Reply #256 on: February 08, 2008, 14:09:23 pm »
New mum- I really, really, really, couldn't have gotten here without you and Momma Holmes, Katt, and Petra Kate.  It's much easier to be consistent when you have support!

I remembered a few other things that were different yesterday (though I guess I could drive myself crazy trying to figure it out, and in the end it's really up to M, but nontheless):

 * Our buzzer rang 10 mins after she went to sleep.  It didn't wake her, but it may have acted as W2S.
 * She had 4 oz more of milk yesterday

My mom's watching her today, so hopefully it doesn't all go pear shaped.


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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #257 on: February 08, 2008, 17:10:09 pm »
Glad to hear that you have had a couple of good days! Sorry if I was sounding rather negative about everything yesterday - am not feeling well at the mo  :P

Nic is right - keep on keeping on and the improvements will keep coming.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #258 on: February 08, 2008, 21:34:03 pm »
Oh my goodness... just when I think things are looking up, it all goes to $#!*

35 mins this morning (expected, b/t 9:10am and 9:45am)
Mom had her for pm nap, and she slept... 12 freakin mins, 1:15pm-1:27pm.  For some reason, Mom was cleaning up in her room after she fell asleep and made some noise and woke her, so nap= over.

1 step forward, and about 15 back.  I could scream forever.  And people wonder why I don't leave her with anyone?

Had her in bed at 4:30pm, hoping to fend off any more OT, but expecting many NWs and an EW tomorrow.

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« Reply #259 on: February 08, 2008, 21:44:59 pm »
Woo hoo! That must be a record - the 12 min nap!! Nice one Grandma!

It's a nightmare trying to get other people to understand why you're soooo particular about their sleep patterns - but they're not the ones who have to get up in the night and start their day at 5am! I'm sure my Dad thought I had totally lost the plot when I kept giving him different (and very specific) routines to follow when we were having probs  ::)

Hopefully the very early bedtime will get you a solid night, but I suspect you're right about the EW... you never know tho, sometimes they surprise us. Here's hoping she does  :-*
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #260 on: February 08, 2008, 22:16:05 pm »
Momma Holmes- your post made me lol, which I certainly needed  :)  :)

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #261 on: February 09, 2008, 07:24:40 am »
Leslie, the only other peron I let deal with L's naps is DH and he has firm instructions!! I also had a short, short nap once, 8 mins I think because DH's nan first OS L before her nap and then woke her!! I was FURIOUS!! I spent the whole afternoon trying to get her to sleep and it didn't work and then she woke up loads throughout the evening but settled at about 11pm and then slept until morning. I was surprised but we did get back on track quite quickly.

If Leorah hasn't eaten much in the morning I still top her up with a few ounces of milk before her nap, I don't know if it helps, she's never hungry before her nap but starving after.

How was last night? It does seem if you get good naps she is having good nights so hopefully things are starting to change (apart from that blip yesterday). It will be good when she starts to wake later because you can maybe push that AM nap again and work toward one nap as it was starting to work. I hope you have a good weekend  :)
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #262 on: February 09, 2008, 12:04:47 pm »
Katt- my DH doesn't even listen to my instructions!  FURIOUS is the correct word.  I tried to get M b2s about 45 mins later, but she was having none of it.

As for last night, not as bad as I thought it would be:

4:35pm Bedtime
5:50pm 1 cry let out, but settled herself
7:35pm crying, put my hand on her back for a bit (and she remained lying down), and then stood next to her crib for a bit, and she was B2S by 8pm
5:01am Awake (later than I expected!)

We'll see how today goes.

Have a great weekend everyone!

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #263 on: February 09, 2008, 13:19:02 pm »
Oh well, at least it seemed to all come out in the wash and she had a really good night considering.  Hope today goes well  :)


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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #264 on: February 09, 2008, 17:55:18 pm »
32 mins this morning, and expecting another 30 min nap this afternoon. 

Good times here.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #265 on: February 09, 2008, 18:51:38 pm »
I'm sitting here bawling, b/c I don't know how much more of this I can take.

I totally resent M.  I'm sick of not having any time to myself.  I want to trade her in for a sleeper. 

She slept 30 mins this afternoon (expected), and then I couldn't extend.  4:45pm bedtime again, and another EW.

Somebody put me out of my misery.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #266 on: February 09, 2008, 19:31:26 pm »
Where are you in the world Leslie?
I know you said that money isn't an object when getting professional help - what makes you think that there aren't any suitable professionals around?

There has to be something else going on. You've tried everything. You've done everything right. It's not your fault but it isn't hers either.

Let's see what we can do to find you the support you need.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #267 on: February 09, 2008, 20:04:19 pm »
I'm in New York City.

I spoke with someone early on, when M was about 3 months, and she basically told me to CIO.  I don't have the heart for that... it seems like there's a reason she can't sleep, it's not that she doesn't want to.

At least it's Saturday and hubby is home.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #268 on: February 10, 2008, 08:44:43 am »
Leslie I really wish I could come to NYC and help you  :(

Two naps really aren't working again are they? I think you should maybe get back on the one nap boat, what do you think? I still remember the frustration of Leorah taking 2 short naps a day, my whole life revolved around those naps and I was miserable, one nap didn't mean she got more sleep but that sleep was condensed so much more restorative. While deep in the nap hell I did sit and have a good think after reading then "Healthy Sleep...book" that it wasn't Leorah's fault and that it must be awful for her too and I suddenly became more empathic towards her and imagined how awful she must be feeling for her little body to be so out of sorts that she just can't stay asleep. Obviously this did not mend anything but my stress levels. It is really normal and human nature to feel resentment towards M, I am ashamed to say I have screamed "just sleep FFS" at Leorah and I still feel terrible about it. One day my DH was out and she woke after 20 mins from a nap and I called and told him to get home as quick as possible because I just couldn't deal with her. At the end of the day though they can't help  it and they love us and expect us to make everything better.

Momma Holmes is right, there must be somewhere you can get help though I do believe a lot of sleep clinics do CIO so perhaps you could see a medical specialist to check her for any physical reasons she can't sleep.

I know you said before that WIWO makes her hysterical but L was too when I first did it, I gave up but Elmarie who was supporting me at the time told me to keep going as she was just angry because this was new and I couldn't believe it but it worked a treat  :D I just had to really work out what was an angry cry and what was genuinely upset, If I ever need to do it now it works after one go. It will be tough but I think you should maybe commit to this for the EWs as when she gets up that early she then needs a nap earlier. The thing is with our spirited kids is that they may be hard work when it comes to sleep and routines etc but also they are clever and know when they are flogging a dead horse!

So anyway shall we all come up with a new plan for you both that will be stuck to for at least 2 weeks? Last time you switched to one nap her morning started getting later. For now you can always offer her a catnap in her cot in the afternoon and say leave her for 20 mins so at least she is getting some rest even if she doesn't sleep and you are already on board with early bedtimes. As I think New Mum said before it will probably be a good idea to give her all her meals at the same time to as it will help set her bodyclock. So regardless of wake up WIWO until the time you decide to get up, breakfast, lunch and tea at the same times and nap, quiet time and bed at the same times, you could even put a morning walk in at the same time just so she knows what is coming next most of the time. We will be with you every step of the way  ;)

PS Leorah is in teething hell and only napped 40 mins yesterday and from 5am this morning cried on and off until we got her up so she is a bit of a mess too  ::) Remember if you do go ahead with the one nap you will defintely have a rough few days so try and rest today while DH is home and mentally prepare for combat  ;) ;D
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #269 on: February 10, 2008, 11:46:10 am »
Katt- I wish you could come here too  ;)

I don't think 1 nap is the answer right now, as she's just accumulated so much OT.  Last night she was up for about 1 hour 45 mins b/t 11:20pm and 1:05am.  She cried at first but then let me lay her down.  The rest of the time she spent tossing and turning, trying to get B2S.  I stayed in the room until she was asleep.

You know the Beatles song, "I'm so tired"?  That's what I feel like.

Hopefully today will be a better day.

Thanks again for all the support-
Leslie