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baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« on: January 08, 2008, 18:52:41 pm »
Routine for my 7.5 month old 21 lb baby boy - please give me some insight to the night waking:-)))))

7am BF
Up at 7am
Solids at 8am (couple of ounces - not much) He is not a fan of solids
10:30-12:00 Nap
12:00 BF (never good bc big brother is around - thinking about switching for a couple ounces of solids first and nursing when brother goes to sleep at 1pm...?
1:00 Solids
3:30-4:30 Nap
4:30 BF
4:45 or so -Solids - so little - 2 ounces - was going to drop this "solids" but too afraid that son will go back to exclusively nursing - trying to gently expose as much as possible.
7:30 BF
8:00 Asleep

2 Problems:

1) Wakes at 1:33am - 1:37am... I think I know what I need to do with this one - Wake to sleep? Will go in at 12:30am and try it for the next 3 nights. I have been letting him fuss/cry (not the mommy I need you cry - I am also sleeping beside him - so he isn't alone) for the 5-15 minutes is takes for him to fall back asleep.

2) When he wakes between 4-5am - I have been giving him a bottle of water - he takes an ounce.

3 nights ago he took some water at this time,  then refused water and fussed/cried for about an hour (did Pu/pd) to try and calm - didn't always work for us - sometimes did. Once he fell back asleep, he slept until 7:30am whereby he woke, breastfed and started the day. This happened for the 2 nights before last night.

Last night he did his usual thing at 1:33am, and work at 4:45am, at which time I gave him some water and he went back to sleep without fussing too much. He woke at 6am and I BF'd him.

**Am I reinforcing NW by giving him the ounce of water?
*** Is he actually thirsty if he is only taking an ounce?


Do you think that if the wake to sleep works at 1:33am that this may eradicate the 4-5am waking?

Note: getting more mobile - preparing to crawl
Has 2 teeth coming is - they have fully broken and there is no redness at the gumline. I don't think they are bothering him.
There are no sounds in the house at this time -nothing disturbing him like that....

Any suggestions would be helpful - Need help here:-)

Sarina





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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 01:30:10 am »
Hi There...Just lurking....I have some similar things going on with my Lo....almost exactly the same time waking! I have been BF'ing b.c she really does take a full feed (daytime BF is another story...esp with a crazy toddler running around to look at...cant focus on eating!!)
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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 12:02:50 pm »
Hi there!

Yes sounds like W2S is definitely worth a try if it's that predictable.  Let's see if we can get rid of one NW at a time

the other thing is - might he be OT?  That last A time before bed is very long - have you recently dropped the catnap?

A few Qs for you:

- can he get to sleep on his own for nights and naps, or does he need some help from you?

- is he sleeping in his own cot?

- what is he doing when he wakes - I think you say he's just fussing, is that right?

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 20:09:16 pm »
Last night I set my alarm for 12:30... he woke at 11pm and I went to move him from his crib to our guest bed. This is what I was going to do to slightly wake him at 12:30am - It seemed to make sense last night at 11:30 - now I don't know why I did that! I didn't give him a chance to settle in his crib (Usually he is already on the bed). Anyways, he settled within a few minutes of crying - frustrated cry - same cry as when he wakes during the night.

He woke again around 2:30 am - I gave him some water which he vigorously sucked back (2 ounces) - I put him down and he cried for a couple of minutes and went back to sleep.

He woke at 5:10am - I didn't pick him up - just laid beside him - he cried for 4 minutes and went back to sleep until 6:30am - when I bf'd him. Josh fell back asleep until 7:15am.

I see that the last stretch of time is a little long. I am trying to get as much BF into him. I have been trying to move that last feed to 6:30pm so he is well awake for it. Last night I topped him up with a bottle with 2 ounces of formula around 7:15pm and nursed again at 7:45 -. (He was ready to go to sleep  - must keep toddler away;-)

The catnap dissappeared a while back - he sleeps between 10:30- 12:30pm and again between 3:30 until 4:30. I try to get him down for 7:30pm - but it has never worked bc I don't push too hard as he seems happy to stay up 3.5 hrs during the day - Perhaps with such a small nap late in the day, he should stay awake for no longer than 3 hrs?

As for his naps and all sleeps - no accidental parenting... that I am aware of;-) No boobie to sleep required (although have used it as a tool once in a while if he is OT -  rare). No paci - I put him on his tummy and he plays with his teddybear and goes to sleep.

Sleeping arrangement: During the day he sleeps in his crib/playpen (waiting to get crib from out Toddler) and at night he typically falls asleep in the guest bed - I join him later in the night (10pm) - when I do, he stirs and goes back to sleep. Although, last night I didn't go in at 10pm and he woke at 11:30 (instead of 1:30am waking on the nights that I go in at 10:00pm).

Specifically, when he wakes he starts crying slowly, bobs his head up and down, attempts to roll onto his back (which infuriates him once he gets there)... increases crying.... sounds upset - and then calms down and goes back to sleep. I always put him back on his tummy if he makes onto his back. Most of all he sounds frustrated (we haven't fed in the nights since Dec30 - at that was very tiny feeds ).
His whole "thing" takes anywhere from 2-3 minutes up to 10-12 minutes.

I hope I gave some insight:-)))) Please give me yours:-)





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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 20:56:03 pm »
So does he need your help to back to sleep when he wakes? If not I am not sure that I would worry about it...!

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 21:29:56 pm »
He doesn't need my help to go back to sleep.... I lay him down and he does want he needs to do... and he falls asleep.

I was wondering if me giving him water is encouraging him to wake up?

When he wakes and I give him water, I cradle him in my lap, give him the bottle, as soon as he starts chewing on the nipple part... I put him down again and he cries... and goes to sleep.

Is this accidental parenting?

I recall our first son waking and crying in the night - I was sooo tired that I let him cry (it wasn't the mommy I need you cry).... To this day he always cries when he wakes up.

I guess our first was a much "tougher" child - so we were comfortbale letting him cry a little. Josh is a softer personality - so I lay next to him when he cries... (Josh also doesn't cry when he wakes normally)

What do you think his wakings are for? Is this just what he does?
I would like to know if there is anything I can do so he doesn't wake and cry... ?

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 04:48:03 am »
Hi
Have you tried an earlier morning (9.00 - 10.30 am) and afternoon nap (1.30 - 3.00pm)?  It might be that 3.5 hours of awake time is too long and he's overtired??

If he is going through a growth spurt, then he may need more solids during the day...more fuel for activity and sleeping through.  If he's not a big eater then this might be something to work on. 

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 19:17:54 pm »
Hi!

If Josh wakes ay 7am... he doesn't show any signs of being tired until past 10:am... Usually around 10:15 he yawns and I take him upstairs and he queitly goes to sleep.

I wish I could have him eat more solids;-) He really isn't interested in solids. I know part of the reason is because I have recently bf'd... but it is my understanding that I don't want solids to replace breastmilk.
Currenly, he eats about 3 ounces for breakfast, 2 ounces for lunch and 2 ounces for dinner.... Maybe that is the right amount?

Last night I offered him formula after BF'ing. He took 6 ounces and slept relatively calmly in the night. He still woke and had a calmer small cry and went back to sleep....

Geesh!

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 01:58:11 am »
It sounds like the night formula is helping your LO get through the night...so you might be onto something here!!  It might just be time to wait and see if this resolves itself over the next few nights.  My daughter didn't show any signs of tiredness until about 10.30am as well (waking up at 7.00am).  However I have persisted in getting her to have a 9.00am sleep for 1.5 hours and it is making a big difference to her night sleeps.  She was way overtired before..I just didn't recognise it at the time.  I'm not sure about the solid intake but there should be some FAQ sheets on this website (or others) that will give you an indication about whether the amounts are right.  One thing I know is that BF and solid intake at this stage of development are crucial as your milk can no longer supply all of the nutrients and iron that your bub needs.  Breast feed before solids is recommended up to 9 months and then you switch over..solids and then BF. 

Hang in there..sounds like you're making progress :)
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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 08:01:54 am »
Sarina - I would not worry too much about solids at this stage - milk is still the  most important source of calories until 1 year old!

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 20:52:08 pm »
I'm o.k. with the amounts of solids he is taking -not that I have a choice;-)

I do find that he gets bored of the spoon and is fine to drink the same food from a cup... huh!

Yesterday I BF'd at 6am, 10am, 2pm and 6pm... (He napped from 3:30- 5pm) and gave him 4 oucnes of formula at 7:30. He wans tucked in by 8pm.
I am keeping the number of BFs... just added the formula - right before bed.

Last night.... for the first time in a long time, we didn't even hear from him until 6am - not even for water. I was shocked to wake up in my own bed and see that it was morning!

I sure hope I am onto something...

After his feed at 6:00am this morning he went back to bed until 7:30 (will try to match feeding and waking time over the next few days). I tried to put him down at 10am this morning - he wasn't interested. He finally was happy to go to sleep at 11:00am (I was going to try at 10:30 - Toddler was getting ready to go to grandparents.

I'll keep you posted!





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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 21:15:20 pm »
Great! As you say, keep us posted  :)


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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 22:11:03 pm »
Did the same as the day before...
Josh woke at 1am for 1 ounce of water... 5:20... tossed and cried for a few minutes... and woke at 6am for a BF. He went back to sleep until 8:15am.

I guess this is just what he does.... I'm sleepy

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 10:36:14 am »
Sarina - in my books, if your LO resettles themself, it doesn't really count as a NW  :)  Katie often cries out and fidgets around a bit - as does my DH  ::) - but as long as I don't have to get out of bed it doesn't count. I know it's a pain if it wakes you up - but honestly I would not worry about it and it's good practice for him resettling himself!

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Re: baby wakes at 1:33am ... and then between 4-5am.
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 18:41:44 pm »
Bryony,
I didn't realize that "it" didn't count if you don't have to go to him... Thanks!

Unfor. we are now nursing in the night bc he had a cold/ear infection and everything is thrown off;-( Par for the course. I actually thought this morning that I won't be able to have a third child - I am just too tired!

Josh is also now trying to crawl and this is waking him up too - Oh well!

I nursed at 5am this morning - and gave solids at 8am - At 11am - he didn't want to nurse and simply wanted to go to bed. I am back to my old frusteration of trying to give him enough Breastmilk during the day - I wish those boobies made more milk " at the right times."

Josh is now refusing the formula - so I can't top him up.

I am in a "poor me" mood today - I am lucky to have 2 healthy children who are happy - I need to get over "myself."