how do you define sleeping through the night?

[KellyC]

If you want to try a short am nap and a long pm nap you could maybe go for 10-10.30 in the morning and 1.30/2-3.30 in the afternoon, a total of 2-2.5 hours for the day.  The next step would be to reduce the am nap even further, so it's only a catnap, and bring the afternoon nap back closer to lunchtime and lengthen it to 2 hours or just a bit more.

Nate is a fair bit younger but he tends to have 45 minutes at around 9.30 and 2 hours at 1pm.

How was last night?

Kelly x

[Mama2boys]

Oh Lis, I so wish I was making it all up!!

well lats night was not so good but yet ok. DS went to sleep as usual had given him medi for his pain etc. slept through till midnight and then woke up crying - not very typical of his NW, was up till 2am, would not lie down refused pacifier, or water, I stuck to my guns and did not offer milk because I am pretty sure it was not a normal NW. He only wanted to be held and even in my/DH arms he would wake up startled in about 5/10 minutes.

Finally he slept off just before 2am, and as expected was up at 4:40 had a diluted feed, back to sleep and then up at 6:30 for the day. This seems to be the new routine.

I think I might start by making the am nap as 1 hr and letting the pm nap be 1hr 15 minutes and slowly take him off the am nap....I think we might have a mutiny on our hands if I go straight from 1hr 15 to 45 mins especially as he is probably still getting use to a 6:30 wake up rather than a 7:30 wake up. bfast is also almost normal now that he gets his am bottle at 6:30..milk quantities are not so steady a bit on the low side but he will get there.

All in all not too bad thanks for asking.

[Mama2boys]

hello ladies,

today the bedtime has been a bit rough.

Changed the naps for DS so first nap was 1 hr instead of 1hr 15 min and second nap was 1 hr 15min as always...DS was sleepy since about 7/7:15 as usual but did not fall asleep till 8 and was quite cranky...hope the night will be better. The only difference was that I didn't give DS medicine tonight...he's been having it regularly for almost 2 weeks and just wanted to give his poor lil body a break.

[KellyC]

Did he wake late from his second nap Mukta?

[Mama2boys]

Hi kelly, he woke up at 4:15 and normal wake time from pm nap is more often than not 4pm....

[KellyC]

It just seems a bit late to me for him to have a good night's sleep.  I think you either need to cut the am nap right back so the pm nap is earlier or stick with the long am nap and only a short nap in the pm.  I personally would aim for naps to be over by about 3pm.

Take care
Kelly x

[Mama2boys]

Thanks Kelly, all seems to be going downhill....had a miserable night DS was up form 4:30 - 6am and the finally slept and i could not wake him or myself up till8:15. DH is down with flu o no help there.

DS has just gone to bed at 10:30, will wake him up at 11 and see if he will go back to bed for the pm nap by abt 2:30 and see how i can keep the naps before 3, seems  a bit hard with our preent routine..to be honest...and i cant seem to find the courage to muck with it any more...

what should the A time for a 1 yr old be like?

I almost wish for the old NW to be back, at least he used to go right back to sleep after the bottle, now it seem to be worse as he wont go back to sleep and its not like I can catch up on sleep during the day.....

anyways lets see how the weekend goes.

you have  a good one.

[jess, lukeys_mom]

mukta,
just came across this thread. poor you guys, just sending you some hugs and i hope you get some real sleep soon.  our lo's are about the same age, luke is a very spirited one so his sleep has become and intricate science for me. 
just in case it helps....the advice i got from his day care is to control his naps closely at this age. if his tendency is to do a longer am nap (luke's is) then put him down at around 10/10.15 and no matter what wake up at 11.30. then pm nap should be shorter, 45 min, from 3.15 to 4. no sleeping after 4.  but if pm nap is the long one then only do 30 min in the am (so 10 to 10.30) then try for 2.00 to 3.30 for pm. try to make sure he is awake around 3.30 again in this scenario, as the longer pm nap will mean longer A time before bed and you can preserve a 7/7.30 bedtime.  this has been good advice for us at least.
i cannot be of much help for the nw's, they always leave me answer-less if naps have been good, but sending you some good rest vibes honey. xxxxxxx

[Mama2boys]

Hi jess,

That makes a lot of sense. Longer nap and longer A time...so far we were doing equal naps. Problem is I have no idea what DS prefers as i almost alwya snee dto wak ehim up form his naps...but keeping in mind the 2-1 transition, I think I will give the shorter monring nap and longer pm nap a shot and see how it goes.

Not going to say that it can only get better, because it all seem sto continuously get worse 

anyways such is life.

[jess, lukeys_mom]

ikwym, all too well sister 
 

[KellyC]

It could be that you deciding to do some sleep training has coincided with him needed to start transitioning to one nap, he's the right age and night wakings, early wakings, staying awake for hours during the night etc are all signs.

At his age (though admittedly we were fairly early) Zander was on one nap starting at about 12pm.  Prior to that he was only having a morning sleep long enough to see him through to a long nap after lunch so he'd have about 20 minutes at 9.30/10 and a long nap at about 12.30pm.  Perhaps you ought to post on the support thread for LOs switching from 1 to 2 naps and ask advice about your routine and how best to adapt it to suit you all.  I do think the timing/length of naps is crucial for good nights, even the best sleepers need their routine tweaking every now and again.

{hugs}

Kelly x   

[Mama2boys]

agreed ladies i think i will slowly work the transition as well and join the board...alongwith the continued sleep training...but its official now, poor boy is suffering from croup, that explains his extra clinginess wanting to cuddle all the time and so on. Its a non stop roller coaster of stuff that interferes in his sleep. His gums are so swollen they are almost a as thick as my little finger!

You all have been so supportive and guided me through the emotional aspects of starting sleep training and I mean to carry it through and soon one of these days write a happy success story on BW.

We are also meant to be travelling in about 12 days to Turkey for a long weekend, so I might use the craziness of that trip and schedule as a good excuse to rejig his schedule once we are back...

thanks again guys you all are my new family

[KellyC]

Poor lad, both my boys are prone to croup, it sounds terrible.  I expect you'll spend this evening sat in a steamy bathroom!  I hope he's better soon and you're right, enjoy your trip to Turkey and start afresh when you return as everything will be topsy turvy from travelling anyway!

Kelly x

[Lissybits]

Hi Mukta,
Nicholas had croup too this winter. We bought a Chicco vapouriser and found this really helps - even if he just has a cough. You can put eucalyptus oil on it as well so it helps with stuffy noses too.
I agree with Kelly - start sleeping training with avengence AFTER you return form Turkey as his routine will be all over the place anyway.
How nice to be getting away. Shame you weren't coming a bit more East - you could have come to visit us in Greece!
Where abouts are you in the U.K?
How was last night?
We've had 4 nights of complete sleep thrus This is after about 3 weeks of being 
absolutely 100% consistent - if Nicholas can finally sleep thru after nearly 18 months your LO can too!
Love
Lis 

[KellyC]

Well done Lis and Nicholas