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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2008, 19:21:43 pm »
{hugs}, you may be surprised.  The nights when they don't take their bottle are usually the ones where they sleep better than ever!  Try not to worry and just stick to your plan - what did you think about no feeds before 5am?  Did you give medicine at bedtime for the teething?  I've just had to do that for Nate!

I hate to say this, but if you're thinking about taking the paci away soon anyway, then now might be a good time.  It'll mean you're getting good nights without a paci (and the paci may be part of the problem in the first place and make good nights hard to achieve).  If you want to do it later you may have some more sleep training in store even after you've been through all this.

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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2008, 19:27:47 pm »
well i think no feed before 5 is absolutely fine and water is what i give at time to get him back...even at present....and i can live with a feed at 5 or after...

I am a bit scared of starting the paci removal as well now, i see your point but am really scared I will be biting off more than I can chew. DH is always too busy and tired to help too much (is away this week) with the nights and my work just seems to be getting more busy....

but what do you suggest for removing the pacifier...I agree that I should probably bite the bullet...i know i have said both things in the same breath but I am a Libran - we tend to sway back and forth...

so how do you suggest i get rid of the paci?

DS does not repson to well to medi's they seem to not affect him..so he has had bonjela application and thensome teetha...he gets so stressed with the whole med giving procedure that it spoils his going to bed part ..:(
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2008, 20:26:04 pm »
Are you doing walk in / walk out?  That would probably be the method with a child of this age.  There's a thread of support for mums doing wi/wo, have you seen it?  There's a post from me on there from many moons ago  ;)  Also visit the props board.  Nobody wants to try and make you do something you don't want to do and it's hard when you're doing it all yourself.  Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet for things to be even better in the long-run.  I find with the meds it can provide some decent sleep during the first half of the evening which often leads to the rest of the night being better.  If mine wake up in pain at 11pm or 12pm it can go pearshaped very quickly!

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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2008, 20:30:39 pm »
Hi kelly
will look into the wiwo just posted on the props board as well for guidance. DO you think I should work with naps first and only then go for the night sleep or should i take the paci away for all naps and sleep?
Thanks a ton!
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2008, 03:04:42 am »
When I have reason to believe my lo is in pain or ill, I put all sleep training on hold and just give comfort till better.  Usually only takes 1-2 days to get back to where we were before.
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2008, 08:29:13 am »
You're right Ellen, I should have said that too.

When you're ready to take away the paci I would take it away for both naps and night time so he doesn't get confused.  How does he nap?  If he naps better than he sleeps at night then you could start there.  When I took away Zander's dummy I started at night because he slept better at night.

How was last night?  Does he still seem to be teething/in pain?

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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2008, 09:48:45 am »
it just seems to be getting worse ladies...I am not sure if it is teething at all but it seems to be his gums around the molar area are quite hard and swollen and he is not eating at all..so signs for teething.

Last night he was up at 2 and till 4, he was awake every 15 mins. Finally at 4 I gave milk and he was off to sleep., But he hardly had 2oz and bfast has been a disaster as well. almost zilch intake, so now for about 24 hrs he has hardly eaten and bfast has been poor since i started sleep training.

Please tell me it gets better, this seem to be way harder than i thought. How long does it take?

DS naps better than his night sleep for sure. I have started the gradual elimination, so once he was asleep have removed the pacifier, and so far he is ok. But the nights are a killer. Nanny is ill, so I am juggling work and him and sleepless nights. I hope I just don't break down. I know in my heart that sleep training is essential...and now is the time, but I fear I will give up :(
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2008, 14:09:29 pm »
Have you given him tylenol?  (I think in the UK it's calpol?)  Or Motrin, whatever, for the pain.  If I suspect teething I give it, if she sleeps better (till the dose wears off) I figure I was right and keep her dosed until she stops waking or getting cranky at the 4-hour mark. 

If it makes no difference, it must be something else.  I figure if I'm wrong one unnecessary dose will not do any harm.
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2008, 15:10:27 pm »
thanks for that, I am not a big fan of medicines....so try and avoid too much medicines, but will certainly give him Calpol today and see if that works.
Mukta
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2008, 16:22:36 pm »
Don't worry Mukta, it does get better  :-*  I've heard that you can rub a little vanilla on the gums and it works as a numbing agent, but I never tried myself. Might be worth a shot if you're wary about medicine?
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2008, 19:46:57 pm »
Hi, I gave in, he has had a good dose of Calpol and fell asleep as per schedule, lets see how this night goes. I think I will give this another week 10days...and only then breakdown ;)

You guys have been such a strength, I feel really guilty about how I keep writing and expecting a reply :(
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2008, 20:45:51 pm »
Of course you expect replies, we're all here to reply to each other  :)

Also, please don't have a breakdown, it's really not worth it.  This will only work if you're ready for it and want to see it through.  If it's not the right time for you and you're happier with how things were before then nobody will judge you or make you do anything.

I didn't realise you were in the UK.  Have you tried Anbesol on his gums?  It smells and tastes awful but has a real numbing effect.  Don't feel bad about giving Calpol for teething either.  If you have a headache you take a couple of paracetamol so why wouldn't you provide the same relief for your LO?

I was thinking of you earlier.  If you're finding this too hard you could always switch to the dilluting a bottle route which was discussed earlier in this thread, giving him a bottle the first time he wakes (and isn't easy to soothe back).  You needn't give yourself a hard time about 'giving in' and giving him the bottle if you're already planning to and you'll know you're still working on sleep training because you'll be dilluting the bottle to wean him off it.  If he can get back to sleep quicker, by having the bottle, then he might be better rested during the day and improve his eating etc.  The other thing I wondered was when/how long he naps for.  Perhaps that's something to tweak? 

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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2008, 20:54:55 pm »
thanks Kelly that really helped.

Well we tried the diluting route and that didn't work at all, so thats why the more drastic approach to just sleep train him...he takes 2 naps of 1hr and 15 minutes each, however today I let him sleep 1.5hrs x2naps, so lets see if that works better.
when i tried diluting, he would keep waking up till i had fed him a lot of milky water.. and as a result he would not have a proper morning bottle because in his stomach and head he had had enough I think....so I felt like I achieved pretty much nothing.

i think the sleep training is working, just need to get one nights decent sleep and renew my energy.

btw, I use bonjela on his teeth and he really likes it carries the tube around when he is teething.

Once again thanks a ton.
Mukta
ps: I think I might give getting rid of the pacifier a break as DS seems to chew on it as a teething ring., Once teeth are done we will deal with pacifier and this way I wont feel too pressured.
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2008, 08:59:23 am »
my latest update: -
DSS went to sleep as normal with Calpol for his pain, woke up a couple of times, but was a clear pacifier issue - I can;t run away form it now..but then woke up at 4:30, did not want the pacifier i did the petting wiwo till about 4:45 at which point i come back to his be to see him sitting up an crying with paci in hand, I try putting it in his mouth and he throws it fairly violently on the bed - sure sign he wants milk!! Has 4oz and off to sleep. he did wake up again, but it was teething pains so some bonjela and TLC helped his sleep again :)
So what do you think good or bad?

Also I am wondering if he just doe s ave  faster metabolic rate than average people, my brother is thin as a reeds, eats pretty well and can be hungry 2 hrs after a solid meal..thats just the way he is..wondering if DS has inherited that....thoughts? are any other kids out there who are hungry so frequently. Books say 12hrs but what if he can just do 8?

Thanks as always
Mukta
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Re: how do you define sleeping through the night?
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2008, 13:52:44 pm »
Hi Mukta

I'm glad you had a better night.  Roll on those new teeth!

I see what you're saying about your brother but I do believe he shouldn't need to eat at night at his age (I mean your LO not your brother  ;D).  If he's a hungry boy then he could squeeze it all in during daytime hours to see him through the night but his body is used to having a good share of his milk at night so it just needs a bit of retraining.

I know you say you've tried the dilluted milk route, what did you do exactly?  I would say this; when it becomes clear he doesn't just want his dummy (like at 4.30 this morning), don't do wi/wo but give a bottle straight away, this way he can get back to sleep sooner and is less likely to be overtired (and therefore not eating well!) the next day.  After a couple of days give him the same volume in total (4oz?) but only give 3.5 scoops of formula, a couple of days later reduce it to 3 scoops of formula and so on.  When he wakes for the day give him as much of his bottle as he'll take and hopefully it will gradually be more.  If not don't fret but see it through until he's getting hardly any formula.  If he's still not taking his morning milk and is still waking for the bottle and you know it's not the formula he needs at 4am, just the help to get back to sleep, then you can do wi/wo safe in the knowledge that he's not starving.

Another thought, if he's teething that might be preventing him from taking his daytime bottles well.  You could try reducing the temperature of his milk a bit and applying some bonjela before feeds.

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