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Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« on: March 03, 2008, 14:48:44 pm »
Ok I'm still confused as to what I should be doing.  I have a one year old daughter who sleeps through the night maybe twice a weeks.  She normally goes down very easily for naps and bedtime, I just put her in and leave and she goes to sleep.  It's when she wakes up at night I don't know what to do.  Here's what a typical night waking looks like:

She wakes up and we can hear her fussing from our bedroom.  She sort of cries for 10 seconds then stops, then fusses a bit, then stops, then lets out a wail or two then stops.  I've let it go on like this for about 45 minutes and it never really escalates but she also rarely ever goes back to sleep.  (I wouldn't let her all out cry, but she never gets to that point).  After 45 minutes I end up going in to try to get her back to sleep because we are not getting sleep while she is doing that.  Last night When I went in the moment she saw me she cried hysterically. I tried to leave her in the crib and just calm her down with words and rubbing her back or belly but she kept screaming no matter what I said or did.  (She also will sit up, if I lay her back down she cries even harder (which is hard to imagine)).  If I puck her up to try to do PU/PD she just screams and fights me.  I know in the book it says not to keep holding a fighting baby.  When I put her back down she screams harder and holds her hands up, but if I pick her up she does the same thing, fights.  So after I tried pu/pd a few times and getting the same fighting I decided to just leave her in the crib and try to calm her down by talking.  It took me a good 10 minutes (with her hysterically crying) to finally get her to pause.  She quieted for a minuted and then started over.  Once she seemed to calm down I tried to get her to go to sleep by just laying my hand on her back.  She kept sitting up.  So I kept laying her down.  At first this just made her mad and she cried again but after about 10 times she would lay there for a couple minutes and then sit up.  I'd lay her back down and she'd lay there a few more minutes then sit up (now at this point she isn't crying, just being quiet and laying down, then sitting up).  Then she starts talking "Up, hi, bababab" etc., all cheery.  Now doesn't it say in the book that PU/PD (or PD in this case) will not work with a happy/content baby?  I was obviously getting no where because she thought it was a game.  So I decided to walk out of the room.  The moment I left she started screaming bloody murder again.  I waited 10 seconds, walked back in and layed her down.  She was content as long as I was there, but WOULDN'T go to sleep, would just play if I was in the room. I tried WI/WO for about 20 minutes but it seems to just make her more upset and hysterical, after the 20 minutes I think she was further away from falling asleep than she was before. What I ended up doing in the end was standing in the doorway facing away from her so she could see my back.  Every time she sat up I walked over and layed her down (and said time for nite nite like I always do) and then went back and stood in the doorway.  All in all this took an hour and 45 minutes.  But maybe it would've taken less if I know exactly what I should be doing.

So, what do you think I should be doing?  I've already posted her schedule several times and had everyone say it looked fine, so I think she just gets up out of habit (the most she has slept through the night in a row is 4 nights).  Another problem is that she had back to back illnesses a few weeks ago and I am ashamed to say I caved and nursed her when she woke up because she was so miserable and that was the only thing that would calm her down, so now I know I am breaking that bad habit again. 

I would do Gentle withdrawl but like I said if I am in the room she just sits there and plays (and in the past this has gone on for 2 hours before I caved, so now telling how long she would sit there and play if I was in the room).

I would do WI/WO but she seems to get more hysterical with this, even though I KNOW she knows how to get herself to sleep because she does it for bedtime and nap time with no problems.

I would do PU/PD but the PU part seems to infuriate her more and she fights it, so maybe just PD? 

I guess I just don't know how you know which one of these methods to do.  And say I go in at night am I supposed to first attempt to say the words and just touch her back and see if she goes to sleep that way first before attempting any of the other methods?  Or am I supposed to jump right into one of the other methods?

Should I just be letting her fuss for as long as it takes for her to go back to sleep if she is never all out crying for us even though she so far will seemingly do that endlessly?  At what point during the fussing crying do I say "ok she needs my help"?

What I mentioned above was the first waking, for the second waking I went in and rubbed her back for a couple minutes and she went back to sleep and for the third one I did PD and stood by the crib because this time she looked like she was going to go back to sleep (no popping back up and talking). (I actually go suddenly really sick and had to have DH come take ocer which I know is not good, but he just put his hand on her back and she went to sleep in about 10 minutes, basically working from where I left off).

I just feel so confused when I go in there at night having no idea where to begin.  I know I need to be consistent so I need some help figuring out what to do so I can stick with it!

Thanks,

Nicole

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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 00:16:29 am »
Nicole, in all honesty, I would say leave her to fuss/moan/make noises/wail/sort of cry until she either goes back to sleep OR until her fussing, etc turns into a CRY & I mean a real cry. When it turns into a cry, I would probably send DH into the room (cause I do think she is at the moment sort of expecting you to feed her back to sleep) and get him to do wi/wo.

Is she on 1 or 2 naps?

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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 01:49:23 am »
Thanks Layla, so you think even though she gets more hysterical with the WI/WO that will eventually work better?  She is on two naps now, and I have heard that she might be on the verge of switching to 1 nap, but she never gives me any problems going down for either nap, so I'm not sure if I should mess with that at the moment, especially since this week she has actually slept through the night most nights.  But what do you think?

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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 05:44:26 am »
The 2 naps might be a problem. It might be that she's sleeping too much during the day or that her pm nap is too close to bedtime... did you want to post your routine in any case & we can have a look?




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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 14:26:29 pm »
Ok, here it is:

wake:  6:45
Bottle: 6:50
Solids: 8:15
Nap 9:45-11:15
Bottle: 11:20
Solids :12:45
Nap: 2:30-3:45
Bottle: 3:50
Soids: 5:15/5:30
Bed for the night: 7:00

I can let her go up to 3.5 hours between naps and she will still sleep with no problem, anything longer than that and she is overtired and fights going to sleep and then only sleeps about 30-45 minutes.  And I can't let her go more than 3 hours and 15/20 minutes before bed for the night or it takes me almost 2 hours sometimes to get her to sleep.  If she is only up for 3 hours or 3 hours and 15 minutes she goes right to sleep with no fight at all.  So to be honest I don't know if I should mess with her daytime routine because I have seen the hell that breaks loose when I do (it also affects her night sleep, she will be up more like 3 or 4 times if her daytime routine is off)....

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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 20:31:25 pm »
Well considering she's been sleeping through the night for the last 4 nights maybe best to leave the schedule as it is. It could be that she's sleeping too much during the day and is therefore not tired enough for a full 12hr night. You could try to push her morning nap further to 3.5hrs A time and maybe shorten her afternoon nap to say 45mins (push 15mins every couple of days and cut 15mins every couple of days) to see if that will help with the nightwakings :-\. So your day would then look something like this:

6:45 - wake
10:15-11:45 - morning nap
3-3:45 - afternoon nap
7pm - bedtime




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Re: Still confused what to do with 1 year old night wakings
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 15:19:03 pm »
Ok that sounds good.  Last night she wouldn't go right to bed. Normally I would take her out and try again in 20 minutes.  This time I decided I would just stick to the plan and do WI/WO.  I ended up doing a variation again.  I would WI, lay her down and say "time for night night" and then Walk ALMOST out, to the doorway so she could only see my back.  If she started playing and talking I would leave the room, which made her freak out, if she stayed laying down I would wait, and if she sat up crying for me I would repeat WI,lay her down and say the words.  It only took 10 minutes and she went to sleep!  So I thought that was pretty good.  The best part was that she slept through the night!  (Ususally if I have a hard time getting her to go to bed for the night that means she is going to have a lot of night wakings).  Anyway maybe I will stick with this new plan for a little while, since she has slept through the night all but one night this week, and see how it goes.  If she starts getting up at night again I will try the new routine you suggested and see if that helps. Thank so much for the advice!