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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2008, 20:39:54 pm »
thats true BW is as close to a manual as could be....in the next baby model, I'd also reccommend a gauge that shows how empty or full their bellies are...I think I could do with a  bit of baby redesign ;)
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« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2008, 20:43:20 pm »
good idea vicku, I'll let him Pitt it back in and maybe guide his hand to a pacifier so he gets the idea.

he eats well during the day and in fact past few days his appetite has actually got better...i can't compare to other kids, but just comparing what his quantity of intake was in the past and now. I try to make dinners quite filling with heavy stuff such as chicken, egg, avocado etc.
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2008, 20:47:11 pm »
Hi Mukta

I'm glad you had a better night and hope it continues.  Just dropping off some {hugs} really.  It's great that it's helping him to catch up on the sleep he's been missing since you started sleep training, I'd just be careful to make sure you gradually cut back to a level that works for him once he's caught up so he doesn't get into the habit of sleeping loads in the day and not needing it at night.  He seems to have had croup for a long time (both mine tend to only have one night where it's bad), do you think it's worth taking him back to the doctor for a checkup?  I hope I haven't worried you by saying that, it's not my intention.

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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2008, 20:57:40 pm »
No Kelly no worries at all, he is actually much better and almost back to normal, so no cough etc. I do think that his normal sleep pattern is 2 naps of about 2hr and 15 minutes and will try and slowly level him off there, but lets see how the pattern works out for another few days.

Thanks for all you hugs ladies.
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2008, 21:04:47 pm »
So pleased he's almost better  :)
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« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2008, 21:07:22 pm »
so ladies, whats should I do about the morning feed...give in at about 5/5:30 or keep trying to pacify him...how long should I keep trying? How long should I let him cry while I try to pacify him?

And will I mess it up more in terms of sleep training if i have to keep petting him for an hr or so to take him from the 5am to 6/6:30am feed time? This morning I could not even think of WIWO as he would just not calm down.
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2008, 21:18:16 pm »
It's up to you how long you think he can last and how well you think that you can do it for.  But, if you are going to give in and offer him the feed then I would start the day, that way he will not be confused as to thinking he can wake and get a bottle of milk and then go back to sleep, KWIM, after all, he doesnt know the time, as far as he knows it's the middle of the night, he's calling mum, gets a bottle, goes back to sleep.  If you give him the bottle then get him up and dressed then he will realise that he gets a bottle of milk at wakeup time. 
Then it's over to the thread.  'how to stop the early wakeups!' But it's a start!
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2008, 21:21:31 pm »
Yeah, that's probably a good idea Mari. We're up at that time anyway these days  ::)  does seem like that will stop him expecting feeds in the middle of sleep. Would need a super early bedtime for a while though I should think. At least we've all got daylight saving time coming up soon eh?
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« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2008, 21:25:10 pm »
hmmm goood point mari.

ok off to bed I go, will let you know how tomorrow goes. Thanks and good night ladies have a good weekend!
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2008, 21:31:56 pm »
Me too... mmmm, bed  ;D Keep us posted love!
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2008, 07:10:20 am »
Hi Mukta,

I agree with PPs that you could try to up his food intake all throughout the day.
You could try WI/WO when he wakes in the morning  and if that doesn't work, you could get up( I know it's early!) and play for a bit before you give him his milk. It's a problem we had (oh, we've 'ad 'em all here!!) and how I cured DS was by getting up and giving him breakfast rather than milk. That way he stopped associating wake up with a bottle - their bodies work like clocks!!

But really you could leave this problem til last. Getting him to stop the NWs is priority first.

I also had the same problem with DH and the NWs. DH (and all the mafia family) thought DS woke all night cos I put him to bed too early ::) LOs here go to bed with their parents  - around 11pm :P But that's another story....
So, I have never had any help sleep training - but since I was always the one to get up all night I just resigned myself to doing it alone!!

We did cold turkey with the dummy when DS was 13 mo cos he was waking at night to be re plugged. It took 12 days - less than I thought. If the dummy is not a prop (i.e he doesn't wake at night to be re- plugged) then that's one less problem - what do you think?

And as Mari said, it's impossible to sleep train without tears :'( Yours and his :'(
Many a time I cried while doing WI/WO (mainly cos I was soo tired) and cos I felt soo alone and unsupported by DH. But, as the nights go on, the crying will get less and less.
Remember, he will only be crying because it's not the usual way to go back to sleep - not because he's unhappy or hungry (probably)
What do you think?
 I'm coming over to the U.K on the 21st July for 6 weeks ;D ;D - but I think you will have cracked it by then ;)

Jessica - I totally agree - that's what grandparents are for ;D  I still have fond memories of my grandparents allowing me to do 'naughty' things when I stayed with them!!

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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2008, 11:37:53 am »
Morning Mukta

How was last night?

My approach with early wakings has always been to do whatever to get them back to sleep, even if that means a feed, as an early feed should be easier to get rid of (by dilluting it) than an early waking caused by reinforcing that 5/5.30 is the time we start our day.  Like most things it's up to you which approach you take.  You must be offering a very dilluted feed by now, how much formula/water is he having at that waking and is he making up for what you've taken away when he wakes for the day?  If you're pretty much there I think I'd give him some water in his cot so he has the option of helping himself and do wi/wo until a more appropriate time to start the day, even if you decide that's 6am rather than 7/7.30am, then get him up and make it really obvious it's morning by being jolly, opening the curtains etc. and either giving breakfast first or milk downstairs amongst the action!

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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2008, 20:07:03 pm »
Hi Ladies,

last night went OK, we had a couple of NW because of the pacifier....Ds woke up at 5, I patted, WIWO him back to sleep and he slept till 6:30 and woke up and got his milk :D So almost a perfect night.

Fingers crossed for today.

I agree with  you Kelly wrt EW, I hear you Lis, but I am just so scared of falling from one trap to another...been doing that for so long, so am really weary....thought I do like your idea about bfast instead of milk..will need to see if I can work it into my routine.

So that all the news from my end, lets hope today works as well. btw Have stopped reading Ds to sleep and the PD pat WIWO routine is doing ok... will let you know how tomorrow goes.

btw Lis, lets hope I am still in London when you come over, I promise you a coffee or 2! but fingers crossed that DS is sorted out by then :D

Mukta
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Re: It just got worse ....
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2008, 20:19:29 pm »
Aww, thanks Mukta :-* I'll hold you to a coffee or a G&T!!
 My mum lives in Biggleswade, Bedford so it's only 25 mins on a fast train to Kings Cross - but I'm sure you'll have the rascal sorted by the summer ;)
What is it with boys?!! :D
Glad you had a better night - lets hope tonight is just as good ;)
BTW, we do breakfast and then milk (which he always drinks as he looves his milk!) - you could try it to break the waking for milk thing!
Well, I'm off to beebyes now - we're 2 hours ahead of you!
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« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2008, 20:26:11 pm »
That's great, hopefully he's made up for it during today and won't need the milk early tomorrow morning either.  ;D
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