Thank you all soooooooo much for your encouragement and ideas
Emma do you think she is overtired in the pm? Or not tired enough? Dd was on 5 and 5 hours at this age so up 7.30 bed 12.30 to 2.30 ( hit and miss) and bed 7.30 or maybe 7.15.
Hi there, I am stumped as to whether she ot or ut, she doesnt appear particularly shattered until I put her down then the ear rubbing and eye rubbing starts. As I said she does fall asleep by 7pm, but I put it at 6:30pm as I thought a short afternoon a time would help her drift off peacefully without being ot kwim? Oh I just dont know lol, she just seems bright as a button until I put her down, and the tired cues start then and then she just cries on and off
Probably not what you want to hear/read, but it does happen during the transition, or did for both girls here at least. Lots of physical exercise during the days, as long as they aren't sick, seems to take the edge off. Melatonin helps here, too, but I don't think you can get it there. 
Cheers Deb, what is Melatonin?
Hi Emma
Her routine looks pretty good. Has the earlier wake up been recent, we just had to redo Lilys blackouts as the tiny bit of sunlight coming in was waking her earlier.
Of course, ew's can also be a sign of OT, same as the nws. But if she is consistantly taking 2hr naps then she shouldn't be OT but it can creep in up to 6weeks or more after transitioning. Have you tried an earlier bedtime, say 6pm? Having a short pm A time really helps to combat OT when transitioned.
Learning to walk is a very likely candidate for her waking and sleep generally being messed up, if its that, then once she has fully mastered it things should return to normal.
The other thing, sorry there's a lot of possibles here, could she be suffering some extent of SA, its quite common for LO's to get some SA while transitioing. Lastly is it teething, sure fire way to check this even if you don't really think its that is to give a dose of meds 30mins before bedtime and see if it helps, if it doesn't then at least you can rule that out.
Sorry there is a lot of possibilities and no firm answers there but I hope it helps.
Nik x
ps. Abbi looks so much like her mummy 
Hi Nic, (Thank you for saying that about her looking like me! Makes my day when someone says that) the walking is fully mastered now, and we had no problems when she was just learning so do you think the milestone thing could just be delayed, the reaction to it I mean? Yeah she has been having calpol as was convinced it was teething, and now of course she is having it for her cold (I have also elevated her mattress). SA would make sense in a way, as when I go in when she is crying before bed, she calms if I stroke her hair. Its hard to get in and soothe properly and ds and dd share the room and of course he is sooooooo excited when I come and starts bouncing around.
Emma Lou - lurking to see if you get any good suggestions! We are having exactly the same problems, except it takes up to 2hrs of screaming to get Katie to go to sleep most nights - plus the NW and EW. Sending you hugs and hoping it resoves soon....
Bryony xx
Hugs to you too, lurk away!
hi ems, hugs hun cant be fun! hmmm To me it sounds as though maybe not tired enough? What I found with both mine is that the are so active that they need a huge winddown...for eg T needs to watch TV for a while before bed as he sits still and chills where as any other activity he winds himself up, even reading a book. Emily tons of cuddles /dark room etc. Tbh I would try an earlier nap time (maybe 11.45) and then a mini catnap ( often do this with E) maybe 20-30 mins, power nap sort of thing, around 4.30, then a latr bedtime 7.30 ish just until she hopes with the longer A times a bit better...make sense?
Good idea, with the windown, ds ruins it every time I try by screaming loudly, shouting at Abbi and jumping around his cot , I swear he is a horror, I am gonna wind both down seperately I think. I like the mini cat nap idea, but I was so hoping this was the time where I could leave the house for the afternoon...... I was doing a 30 min catnap after a nap from 11am - 1:00 recently (had one at 4:00-4:30) but now if I try that she just cries as isnt tired *cry* Thanks for the hugs and ideas, I wish I could do a nice windown..... ds is just a complete nightmare, he told me today I dont love mummy only daddy, get out of my room, (he is not even 3 yet *sigh*)
DS went through the same kind of thing about the same age. I went for the "run him ragged and tire him out" approach which worked quite well but I had to be careful he didn't get OT. Colds and illness (plus the hour change!) really don't help either...one night it took nearly two hours to get him settled.
I figured that if it took a few extra cuddles (no conversation mind you!) to help him settle then I could live with that. So, I would sit with him for five-ten minutes just cuddling and put him down when he was almost over and couldn't be bothered to argue over it. Like all phases, it did pass after a few weeks. He's now in a bed as opposed to the cot and so far he's been fine.
Thanks Linfran that makes sense, I felt bad for offering too many cuddles in case it was AP, but I suppose thats a good thing, makes her secure right? I have never let her CIO, so I suppose she knows I WILL come and comfort her which is nice for her, not so great for me running up and down the stairs to stroke her head lol
The pm nap today was slighltly shorter than what it has been it was 12:10 until 1:50, but thats not outrageous considering she went back to be until 9am kwim? Also on the odd day if she is really tired I do give her 30 mins in the am, but as I said, she just doesnt look tired as long as she is entertained lol
Thanks ladies, should I just stick with what I am doing and pray it all comes right?
