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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2008, 16:32:32 pm »
Huge ((((Hugs)))) Fiona.

Not checked in for a bit.  Was hoping things would have settled down a bit x
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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2008, 16:57:44 pm »
Hi Nicola,
Afraid not. No food no milk almost. I did a dream feed last night in desperation and he took 120 in 2 mins, woke at 3 fell back asleep then woke 4.20 for a bottle :-(
Am beginning to wonder if I have a bit of a food phobia going on here . Have  a doc apt on Saturday but I know they will fob me off with the usual teething explaination. But he is getting no fruit, no veg, almost no calcium, no protein etc and it's starting to worry me, apart from the fact that it's extremely stressful. The only good bottle he has is during the night.
How are you guys doing?



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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2008, 18:09:05 pm »
(((Hugs))) I totally sympathise Fiona.  I remember all to well the stress/frustration/worry I had when Callie was refusing feeds reguarly.  Totally awful.  I think it just tucks at this really primative, maternal part of us.

Remember you may need to give the DF a week or so to make any difference.  Have you been posting on solids forum?  I'll go have a peek.

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2008, 18:21:08 pm »
No I havent posted yet, trying to word it in my mind at the moment. I decided I am not going to dream feed again as he will start to expect it and then I will have a dream feed and a middle of the night feed to get rid of. If he gets through to 3 on what he eats then that's ok.
Was thinking today am so glad I have finished my family cos I had the exat same stress with dd, she stopped all milk at about 8 months, but she slept through and would eat some solids. I promised myself then I would never stress so much about food again, and yet here I am :-)



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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2008, 19:53:08 pm »
Oh (((Hugs)))

Ciara never had any issues at all with milk/solids and is still a fabulous eater at 5.  We've had tonnes of issues with Callie and I honestly never realised how stressful food issues could be.  I think it is just impossible not to stress about it.  Any tears at teatime/hungry kids etc always upsets me as I so aware of what a basic need food is kwim.  Not trying to make things worse!!

Saying that, DS is obviously doing ok esp if he is getting thru to 3am on what he is eating.  I have to say the DF never worked for us.  We restarted it about 3 times but we still had DF plus 230am feed.  She never went longer with it.  It is gone for good now!

Maybe this is more for solid forum (and we could brainstorm there) but I'm just wondering if really relaxed/casual eating would work for him ... snacks outwith snack time, bit of toast to hold whilst on your knee in front of TV/playing etc.  I remember Ciara being off food once with teeth and we gave her lots of pots of fruits when she was in the bath and she would eat them all up.  Just throwing that out there ... not sure if it's helpful.
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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2008, 19:59:47 pm »
Thanks Nicola, yes I am going for really casual for him, My goodness even put food on the floor for him the other day cos he will pick up leaves playdough etc and put it in his mouth but you know what he knew it was food and pushed it away. Brat :-) When I take his table off from his high chair he roots around for food he dropped, would go for that almost but he is dangerous without the table in front of him as he bangs back into his chair while he is in it and moves it all the way across the floor. Have done a post in solids, so waiting to see what anyone thinks. Didnt do dream feed so better head off soon, just waiting for that one elusvie reply to give me something to mull over while I am in bed. Thanks again.
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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2008, 08:32:18 am »
Morning - I just read your food post - didn't want to reply on there cos sometimes noone else helps do they!  Will he have anything on his crackers/bread - we have the same problem (although I get the milk down him)  He will eat crackerbreads/rice cakes with philadelpha/marmite on them - I've started spread jarred baby food on them (not that keen but he has taken some).  He eats no fruit or veg although I gave him a chunk of melon and he managed that.  Haven't really got any advice other than maybe its a phase?  We now have milk at 5am, then a few ounzes before pm nap and then 2 bottles at bedtime - he won't have milk during the day anymore - I think he now assosiates it with being in his room and sleeping as he goes back to bed after his 5am bottle and I have to use milk to get him to nap in the pm now.  Do you think it could be the same sort of thing with ds?  I hope he realises he's got quite a few of us scratching our heads trying to work him out!

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2008, 14:43:00 pm »
Another thought - I remember when I first started  solids with ds he went off milk - my health visitor suggested making milkshakes for him - using tinned strawberries - he didn't drink much but he did have some!  Maybe worth a try?

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2008, 11:05:45 am »
Thanks Emma,
We are now down to dry crackers, not even weetabix. He did however drink a cup of normal milk yesterday at lunch time and again today, followed of course by a cracker. I dont know how he is surving, he also seems to be very tired ( except of course in the middle of the night) but I guess that is not suprising if he is not eating enough.



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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2008, 12:03:13 pm »
Nothing to offer but hugs Fiona.

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2008, 21:05:15 pm »
Fiona... just wanted to let you know we are also officially working to get rid of night feed. 

Callie went 4 nights with no feed and ate great during the day but is now back to night feeds and 3oz breakfast bottle! ARGH!!!

Anyway ... we are diluting feeds (which I swore I wouldn't do again) but we'll give it a proper shot this time. 

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2008, 20:25:24 pm »
Hi Fiona - Just wanted to say hope all goes well at the doctors - don't let them fob you off!

Let us know how you get on.

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2008, 18:48:01 pm »
So we have been to the doc/paed today. No update on the reflux as he had never used zantac with a reflux baby and recommended another doc, one that we have actually seen before for ds and was also dds regular paed until last year when we moved.
Ds is 100% healthy and on the 96th percentile for weight and height and the doctor said if I hadnt told him about his eating habits he would never have thought anything was wrong. He weighs 9.9 kg. He really had no advice except to keep offering him food.
When I asked him about the night bottle he said "Why, do you want to stop it?" I laughed but then that is typical of his nationality where night feeding or lack of routine is their way of life.
He also said that it looks like his canine teeth are on the way. Yipee.
In one way I am very happy that  that there is nothing wrong with ds but on the other hand I was really hoping he could say ok it's being caused by this....
We also agreed that if it was his reflux bothering him then he would be unhappy during the day and that is just not the case, he is one of the happiest smiliest babies I have known and he so just goes with the flow.
So I am no further near a solution to this problem. Dh was home today and he forced ds to start eating, held his arms while I fed him. I was so not happy about it, but after a few spoons he then took a few more voluntarily. Not something I will do but do you think maybe he has just gotten used to not eating?
After that he ate a yogurt for dh this afternoon which was great and drank more milk tonight for dh than he has for me in a week. Is it me? But then dh feeding him all the time is not an option. I really feel lost here .


Copied from my other post.

We now have several night wakenings for the last few nights. He goes back to sleep after whinging for a few mins. I am trying not to rush in with the bottle especially if its early in the night. Last night he woke around 1.30 for 2 mins, 3 for 2 mins, 3.30 ish for a few mins and again at 4.30. He cries at each wakening and while I lie in my bed and say ok I will be there in a minute he has gone back to sleep, but I definetly know when he is not going back and at 4.30 yesterday and today he has had a diluted 120 ml bottle, it was 3 am 2 days ago but with only 1 wakening.
He is tired all day and I have to wake him from naps, today he went down for his am nap after 2.5 hours cos he was so tired, yawning from when he got up at 6.30 and he slept for an hour, yesterday he slept 1.5 hours in the am and then I woke him and the same in the afternoon. He is a fab sleeper but I wonder if thats due to his lack of calorie intake and his energy. 2 days ago we had workmen in the house and I put him in the travel cot in the sitting room, bright room even with curtains closed, new bed for him cos he never slept in it, turned on the cooler and he turned on his belly and slept til I woke him.
It really p's me off cos I know he has and has always had the potential to be a good sleeper. And tbh these night wakenings are getting to me now, especially as they have multiplied.

Sorry for the essay, I just dont know where to go from here.



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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2008, 19:07:25 pm »
Hugs Fiona.  I'm so glad to hear that ds is in good health.  I know waht you mean about wanting a reason to why this is all happening.  Anyway, I can't write much as we'll on our way out.  WIll be back.

Have agood night.

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Re: Dilute or decrease middle of night bottle?
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2008, 19:22:02 pm »
Have fun Mimi, look foward to your insight.