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Increasing formula intake
« on: May 10, 2008, 16:19:51 pm »
I've had ds on a formula bottle for 1 feed a day for 3 days now, but he's only been drinking at most, 2oz.  He's 16wks, and 18 lbs.  I know he should be getting more because he's hungry 2 hours later, instead of 3 (on a 3hr EASY right now).

I read on kellysmom.com about "reverse cycling," where breastfed babies only drink enough to get rid of the hunger, then wait until mommy bf's to make up for the lost calories...  I think this is what my lo is doing.

I plan on dropping another bf, so I'm afraid if ds reverse cycles 2x's a day, he's going to make up for it at night...

SO, is there a way I can stop the reverse cycling/get ds to drink more from the bottle?  Does anyone know if this will stop after he gets used to taking a bottle?

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Re: Increasing formula intake
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 18:54:54 pm »
I know that they suggest that BF mums use a very slow flow teat, but do you think that the teat could possibly be too slow for your lo?
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 22:25:30 pm »
hmmm...  That's a very good point...  I am using the slowest for this teat type...  I'll try a faster flowing one tomorrow and see if that makes a difference.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 16:26:02 pm »
Just checking in.  Did a faster flow teat make any difference?
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 16:53:33 pm »
Hi, Paula!  Yes!  I actually switched from Evenflo to Avent (already amassed Avent supplies, but ds wouldn't take originally), and a faster teat.  DS ended up taking 3.5oz yesterday, and went 3.5 hours before eating next.  He had shots today, and missed his morning nap, so I bf him instead of a bottle for some extra suckling comfort...
His Dr said 4-6 oz is an appropriate amount, so I'm happy w/3.5!
Thanks again for the tip, Paula!

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 17:52:07 pm »
I am pleased that things seem to be going better.  The faster flow teat can make the world of difference.

Keep us posted  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 15:05:42 pm »
Hi, again, Paula.  Well, I guess the 3.5 oz was a fluke, because yesterday & today he's only taken 2oz.  grrr
I have to go grocery shopping, so I'm thinking of getting a different type of formula.  I don't know...  *sigh*  just grabbing at straws here...
I'm using the Enfemil Gentleease, and he's been pooing almost EVERY diaper, and his poor little bum is sooo red.  Maybe a different kind will decrease that, and he'll like it better...
Any thoughts?
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 17:12:21 pm »
Has the dirty nappies started when you first started the formula?

It could be that your lo's tummy is just getting used to the formula.

I know that when I switched my DS to cows milk we had awful nappies, for about a week or so  :-X

If your lo does not seem in any discomfort, I would not change the formula just yet.
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 15:39:35 pm »
Hi, Paula.  Just thought I'd give a quick update...  I decided to mix the Enfamil Gentlease (2/3) with Enfamil Lipil (1/3), and ds has been taking 3oz since.  I also replaced his afternoon feed with a bottle, and he takes 4oz for that one.  So, maybe he just isn't as hungry in the morning...
His diapers have also stopped being green.  Who know if it was just coincidental, and maybe his body just got used to the formula, or maybe it was because of the "regular" proteins in the formula vs. the "partially broken down" proteins in the gentlease...
Anyhoo... just thought I'd share! ;)

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2008, 15:41:01 pm »
Oh, I also tried bumping the teat up another #, and he couldn't keep up with it.  It was like an ultra fast let down!  So, I'll stick w/the Avent #2's for now...

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 19:52:25 pm »
:)I am pleased that things seem to be improving.

Please keep us posted

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Re: Increasing formula intake
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 17:29:45 pm »
I am so glad (well not really) that someone else is going through what I am going through.  My lo is 10 weeks old and weighs approx 12 or more pounds.  He takes 2 oz every 1 1/2-2 hours.  I nursed him for the first 3 weeks, but kept delatching and screaming, and come to find out he does have acid reflux.  He is on 1/2 tsp oatmeal cereal to one ounce of formula.  But the doctor says that he should be going at least every 3 hours.  Yesterday we started off good, getting 2 1/2 - 3 hours then we fell back into the 2 hours; this morning he took an ounce at 325am, and at 5am, then didn't get another feed until 9am, and only took 2 oz at that time, and wanted to feed again at 11am, but held him off until 1150....I am at my witts end and don't know what I should do.  I hate to not give him the bottle, but at the same time, all I am doing is feeding him and cleaning bottles...what else can I do? ???

All the doctors keep saying is, "but he's gaining weight, and that's a good thing" But I need to get him on a schedule, he will be going to daycare in 2 weeks and he is not the only one that she needs to worry about; feeding every 2 hours is a bit much.

 ???  Any Suggestions   ???

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Re: Increasing formula intake
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 19:24:44 pm »
Hugs hun.

Did the doctor not suggest any other options for the reflux, other than putting cereal in the formula? The cereal is empty calories, and I am suspecting this is filling your DS up and this is why he is only taking such small bottles, but is not keeping him full enough for longer.

There are formulas specifically for reflux.  My DD is on one for her reflux, and since being on this she has been fantastic.  The one we are on is Enfamil AR - Where abouts are you?
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Re: Increasing formula intake
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 20:08:21 pm »
Actually, there is some more to my story...and a story it is, I will try to keep it short on YOUR behalf!!!  We tried the Zantac, Reglan and Maloxx; then Prevacid, which is the one that worked the best.  The reglan can cause irritability (which he was VERY fussy), the zantac we were giving 3 times a day, and my specialist said we could keep him on the zantac and prevacid and see how it goes or up the dose of his prevacid, and that's what we chose, prevacid 2x/day.

He had a very hard time with latching when I tried nursing, and when he took a bottle, we had a hard time trying to find one where he was not sucking in air around the sides of the nipples (we tried big, small, funny shaped...you name it we have it in our cabinet!!).  Finally I just said the Dr. Brown was the one where he pulled in less air. 

So, knowing he had acid reflux, we knew he was going to be fussy, and spitty...they put him on Beech Nut Rice cereal...my ped. told me to make it look like a frap (I called it sludge) :-\.  It was a TBSP of rice cereal to one ounce of formula...I wouldn't take it (i'm not even going to say drink it, because you weren't).  So going back and forth like 3x/week, I felt like I lived there....he said it was colic...oh, they did check for piloric stenosis, and they said that was borderline.

His crying, air around the bottle, and yummy bottle made him VERY gassy....I ended up bringing him to a pediatric gastroenterologist (my 3 year old son went to him when he had acid reflux).  Right away they did an ultrasound, which was basically normal, and the barium swallow and found that he had a gastric volvulus, which is a "flipped stomach" most likely due to all the air in his intestines pushing upwards; making the bottom of his stomach twist upwards, so now it is the top, his food go north and all that acid go north...I felt so bad for him.   :(

The doctor put him on Elecare, which is formula specific for intestinal problems...and within 4 days he was like a different baby;  even the slightest change was better than what it was...people still thought he was bad, but compared to before and after, he was good enough for me. :)

So this formula is not specific for the reflux per say, but it has the broken down proteins that will help with that.

That is what I can tell you in a nut shell without giving you all the horror...so I think that is why I am having such a hard time with trying to lengthen his time and wanting to push more formula.  But I really would like him to be on a more consistent plane.  But I never thought about the empty calorie thing...but once he takes straight formula, it starts coming out around the nipple everytime he sucks and he gulps it, even if I switch to a different flow nipple.  I don't know, I am at a loss.... ???

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Re: Increasing formula intake
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 20:37:49 pm »
:'( :'( Huge hugs hun, I am so sorry you are going through such a rough time.  :-* :-*

I think the best thing you can try is to try and lengthen your feeds by about 5-10 mins every few days.  It is probably going to be a long process, but you want to do it slowly so that it gives your DS time to adjust and time to start taking more in per feed.

So perhaps if he is feeding every 2 hours today, you can push it out to 2 hours 10 mins for 3 days, and then increase again.  This way you are giving his body time to adjust.
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