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How can I pump enough?
« on: May 20, 2008, 12:07:52 pm »
I'm trying to increase my supply so that I can send 5 bottles (4 oz each) of breastmilk to daycare. I'm pumping 4 times a day and twice at night as well as nursing my LO in the evenings and overnight. I just can't produce 20 ounces of pumped milk per day. For moms who work full-time outside the home, can you send enough? I'm feeling like a failure. I drink plenty of water, try to get rest, etc. Maybe the stress of not being able to send enough is affecting me b/c I used to feel a strong letdown and now I either barely feel it or I don't feel one at all, even when nursing. Help!!
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 13:00:15 pm »
Pumping is very psychological, as you say!  It also has a lot to do with how the pump suits you and a lot of other factors as well.  Here's a FAQ on pumping, and I'm sure a lot of other folks have helpful experiences too.  https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63603.0

I think your expectation of how much you "should" be able to pump may be a bit unrealistic.  Getting 5 oz per pump session would be very unusual.  Maybe more sessions would help. You are NOT a failure.  Frankly, the fact that women can pump milk at all is pretty remarkable -it's certainly not what we were designed for, it's completely different from nursing and quite unnatural.  I think any pumping output is a testament to our adaptability!
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 16:53:42 pm »
Hugs, hun.  Try not to freak out.  Sounds like there are several things at work (no pun) in your nursing/pumping life right now.

A bit of history on me...  I am bf'ing my 2nd (he just turned 1) after weaning my 1st at 14 mo.  I've worked most of their lives (started back with each at ~4 months). 

First thing I noticed was that you're trying to send 20 oz of ebm to daycare.  That seems like a lot, especially for a 2-3 month old.  Is your lo especially big?  Keep in mind that it's easier for our babes to let it flow from a bottle than it is to nurse from us, so they may take more from a bottle than they would nurse, even though they may not be "hungry."  I know all kids are different, but for reference, both of mine at that age were taking two ~4oz bottles per day, plus I was able to go feed them at lunch...  so maybe 12-15 oz during the daycare part of their day.  And they were/are chunky monkeys!  ;D  I do have to pump twice to make up one bottle.  That is not unusual at all.  You may want to take a look at this website, too.  http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/milkcalc.html

As for pumping itself, like Ellen said, it's HUGELY psychological.  Please don't feel like a failure.  You aren't.  You're doing a great thing for your lo.  Stress, distraction, pressure to pump enough, needing to pump quickly so I can move on to other things on my to do list ::) all impact my ability to pump, and all in an adverse way.  Sigh.  I'd definitely say the stress of trying to pump so much is influencing your ability to pump.   :'(  More hugs.  I also agree that the expectation that 1 pump = 1 bottle is, for most women, not realistic.  Like I said, it takes about 2 pumps = 1 bottle here.  I've heard that from other women on these boards, too.  What kind of pump are you using?  If you're going to be doing this several times a day every day, I'd say get a double electric if you haven't already.  It's worth the investment.

As for what you feel...  Around this time (2-4 months or so), your boobs begin to settle down.  They are learning how much your lo needs to eat, and don't make (so much) excess any more.  They don't get hard like they might have in the beginning.  You may not feel a letdown.  That doesn't mean you're not getting one.  Some women never feel one, even in the beginning.  Watch your lo.  Does lo swallow?  Have enough wet diapers?  Seem satisfied?  Gain weight appropriately?  If yes, then you're doing just fine, no matter what you do or don't feel.  And *please* don't rely on pumping to tell you what your milk supply is.  It doesn't correlate.  Some women with oversupply can hardly pump anything, even though the supply is there.  LOs are much more efficient than any pump you could have.

More hugs hun.   :-* :-*  I know I've written a novel, but I couldn't read & not post.  Working, pumping moms are close to my heart.  You can do this.  You're doing a great job.  Keep asking questions & we'll keep trying to help.  :)
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 17:05:57 pm »
Duh.  Math is not my strong suit.  You are pumping 6x per 24 hours, not 4.  Still, a goal of over 3 oz per session, which is still pretty ambitious in some circumstances.
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 20:23:58 pm »
Wanted to add that i have to pump twice for one feed.

Your doing great so don't dout yourself

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2008, 03:57:41 am »
Wanted to chime in that I know how hard it can be too. My son is now 9 months and I've been back to work 3 days a week since he was 4 months. Couple thoughts - as pps said, 20 ounces is a lot, I wonder if you can cut that back, by decreasing the number of feeds, or the amount in the bottles. My son takes max 18 ounces now, when I first went back to work it was 15 (but I don't know how long your day is, 20 might be just right). Be sure you use the slow flow nipples, we still use the newborn ones because they have to work harder, so you decrease the chances of your hard work overfilling baby and being spit up and wasted. Make sure your pump is working well, the electric versions are worth it. It helps me to not work while I'm pumping, I have to concentrate really hard on it (and am still having trouble, but this post is about you!). I find I can get a little ahead of him if I pump an hour after he feeds on the days that I don't work.

You're not a failure. It's really hard work and you're an awesome mama for doing your absolute best.

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 07:15:08 am »
Thanks to all for your support and sharing your story. I'm having trouble with this particularly because I believe my son is allergic to cow's milk protein, so getting my milk is even more important. So there's another to stress. Sigh.

I am able to pump 2 to 3 oz per session, but early on I could pump nearly 10! Then an LC told me to pump just to comfort b/c my DS couldn't handle my oversupply. I didn't know that I would go from 10 oz a pump to just 2 or 3, and feel angry that I was given advice that has put my son at risk of having to receive formula. But that's all history that I can't change.

Thanks again for the support. Maybe I can send less in each bottle. I found a milk calculator on kellymom that shows you how many times a day your baby nurses and how much he or she is likely getting each time. It looks like I can send 3 to 3.5 oz per bottle without issue. Guess my DS will let us know if that's not enough! :) Oh, and the 5th bottle is a "just in case" bottle that daycare requests, so I usually end up taking that one home at the end of the day.
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 14:23:55 pm »
Topping off hugs, hun!  I know it's hard, especially trying to figure things out in the beginning.  You really are doing great, though! 

I can't really comment on oversupply, as I've never had one.  But like I said, your boobs are matching what your ds needs much more closely at this point.  Many moms experience a decrease in pumping output around now.  I get about 3 oz out at each session now.

Glad you found kellymom helpful.  And yes, your ds will definitely let you/daycare know if you didn't send enough!  :)  I ended up keeping enough for a bottle (extra or replacement if a liner broke, got spilled, etc) in the daycare freezer.  That way they always had it, & I didn't have to send an extra every day (that he may or may not need).  Just a thought, if that's a possibility for you. 

Hang in there! 
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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 04:39:39 am »
I hear you on the glory days of pumping more than you need. You feel like a continually replenished fountain - I had no idea that wouldn't last, I figured if I pumped, I'd get milk right? Are you confident your pump is working well? This might be way out there - but just a thought, could you take a week off and pump your brains out to get ahead of the game and feel less stressed? Pop onto the pumping moms thread too - lots of good advice there through the old posts.

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2008, 14:47:36 pm »
I wanted to report that my supply is up again! I'm getting about 5 oz per session now, and this last session I got 10 oz! Besides pumping to empty (and beyond) 4 times a day and 2 times at night, the following seem to be helping:

> Eating like I did when I was pregnant
> Drinking lots of water
> 1 beer a night right after pumping (I swear this is working for me!)
> No underwire bras

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2008, 14:52:48 pm »
Good for you you've done some major pumping there.

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2008, 22:27:20 pm »
Yea! Awesome pumping you!

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Re: How can I pump enough?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2008, 02:18:22 am »
Wow!  That's great!  Glad things are better for you.  :)
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