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Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« on: June 23, 2008, 04:50:57 am »
Hi guys

Hugh is now almost 10 months.  At 3 months he was diagnosed with silent reflux which we didn't get under control until he was 7 months old.  At 4mo he was introduced to solids (with advice from paed).  At that point we thought his reflux was ok, but we were wrong, and when it flared up, it put him off eating all together, he won't take a spoon, won't eat puree etc and is now BLW.  At that same time as the reflux diagnoses, we also saw improvement wiht me on diet for MSPI (since he is BF).  At around 8mo I started having dairy again, then slowly introduced some dairy to his diet (again on advice of paed).  Over the last almost 2 months, he has become increasingly irritable, sleeping worse at night, but mostly just irritable.  He seems to be eating a little better, but still not eating anywhere near as much solid food as his peers (ie other babies we know that are his age).  He is still having 8+ BF per 24 hours and will actually throw food on the floor, then demand to be BFd.  He is having periods every day now where he is so irritable that I have to pick him up, he isn't even happy with me playing with him on the floor. The only time he seems ok is when he is super distracted, like we are at someones house who has kids etc, or we have kids over playing at our house.

I can't be sure that he is/isn't teething, but I can't see/feel anything obvious, and his other teeth (he only has 4) were obvious.  He is all snuffly, but seems to have been that way most of his life, but it doesn't appear to be a cold, no green snot etc.  He has no temps.  He has a cough but again I am not convinced it is a cold related cough, but as the paed said, that one is a really difficult one to rely on.  Dr checked him over just 1 week ago, and there was no sign of infection. I had him checked because he had had a cold, but I believe it is over now.

So, today paed said it may be that the MSPI is not gone, and that it took several weeks of being back on dairy for this to become apparent.

Does what I describe seem to fit? I will be starting back on no dairy/soy tomorrow, and will remove all dairy products from his diet. For at least 2 weeks she said.

She is going to refer us to a feeding clinic, where they often see toddlers, sometimes babies, with feeding issues that are now behavioural, but began due to reflux or the like.  I think there may be some benefit to trying to get him to eat more solid food.

Any suggestions, thoughts, advice....this is so hard. :'( :'( :'(
Rina - Mum to Zara 29/3/06
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 09:15:02 am »
Oh Rina :(

I have absolutely no idea but wanted to offer you tonnes of love and (((Hugs)))

Can't imagine how hard this must be for you.  :-*
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 09:38:20 am »
Thanks Nicola.  I read your post about possible CD - Hugs right back at you hon!
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 09:44:18 am »
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 10:05:55 am »
Rina I dont know either but wanted to send {{hugs}} also and hope you guys find an answer for this :-*
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 10:25:32 am »
Oh Hun sorry you are having problems all i can give you is big massive HUGS and my support as always you know where to find me  :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 10:31:21 am »
Thanks guys

Am starting the no diary tomorrow, and am pigging on chocolate right now since it could be AGES before I can have any more!
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 12:46:34 pm »
rina thomas was really intollerant to lactose for a long hile (18 mos) and his 'main' symptoms were irritability and no sleep . there were other symptoms whcih i only sussed when I realised it was a flare up, stuff which made me think 'oh yes its the mspi' eg ezcema, bunged up nose, thrush/nappy rash, un unusal poo

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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 14:59:07 pm »
Rina, I feel for you - my son was very similar - man you can feel like you are going to go insane.  The irritability definitely can be a main symptom of mspi - my son is two and with every milk trial he has become out of control in his irritability and behavior.  The reflux can do the same thing - you probably know - are you sure he is on the right dose of meds?  But yes yes yes, you are right - go with your gut.  There doesn't have to be blood and things for it to be mspi.  Hugs, hugs, hugs to you.  This is so hard!!!!

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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 21:30:05 pm »
OK, now I am thoroughly confused. Early hours of this morning he woke with what is very definitely a cold and cough.

It went like this - I started back on dairy, he got an ear infection so was irritable.  That was followed by a little bit of OK time, then he got two teeth - very irritable.  That was followed hotly by a cold and cough. But after that cleared he still was irritable, when I had him checked over by a Dr (we were on hols, so not our normal dr) they said there was no ear infection or other infection, and that he was probably irritable from being sick for a couple of weeks, and was still tired etc and that he would come good.  We had only 1-2 good days then all irritable again for several days, which is when I called paed about possibility of needing to revise reflux meds or go back off dairy. (that was only yesterday).

Today he wakes up sick.  So now I don't know.  Until the last week, I had an excuse for the irritiability every time, and now I do again.  So should I go off the dairy or not?

I feel so lost with Hugh, poor kid.
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 22:47:36 pm »
If you really want to know, do the elimination diet again and see if he improves. If not, he's just sick with a cold. Babies can take up to 2 weeks to get rid of a cold, sometimes longer.

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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2008, 22:58:22 pm »
I think I will wait until this clears, and if he is still very irritable, then I will do the elimination diet.  Right now, if I do elimination, I won't know if he gets better due to clearing of cold, or elimination.

Boy oh boy, I hope I am making the right decision.
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 02:09:35 am »
I think that is wise - the elimination diet is SO HARD - I did it for four months then had to stop b/c my baby wouldn't bf, but I think if you are in doubt about it, it will be hard to continue, so better rule out being sick first, in my opinion. 

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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 09:15:15 am »
Oh Rina (((Hugs)))

You are doing a FANTASTIC job!! I really admire you for continuing to BF Hugh. 

I do hope things start to become clearer for you x
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Re: Main symptom is irritability...how to know
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2008, 12:21:46 pm »
I would also try a food diary while you are making any changes.  I could be selling the darn things, but I continue to find how very helpful they are as we are back on elmination with Thomas and when we initially did the re-trial, no one advised us of such and it would have really helped.  What seemed to be a link in my mind did not come out so clearly when we were trying to relay info to the GI.  She then got miffed and told us that Thomas was probably not even allergic/intolerant at all based on the blood work and my terrible memory.  In hindsight, it would have been all the ammo I needed to convice her and my self and hubby that he is both.  After 3 1/2 weeks of documenting everything, I see very clear links between what I was calling outside allergies (pollen) and hidden dairy or soy.  I never saw it so clearly as now.  I am prepared to do battle when we see the GI next week.  I feel so confident in my hunches.  You are right about what you are seeing and that will help draw the lines for the MD.  Also, My THomas was a miserable child until we eliminated soy and milk last summer.  He cried all the time and was up all night.  He was hungry and would not eat!!  It drove me to the brink of insanity but keep at it.

Lots of hugs and prayers your way!

Jen
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thomas -2 textbook MSPI
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