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My family doctor suggested switching my 10 month old son onto goats milk because he thought it MAY be an allergy?  Do you guys think this would make a difference?
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 01:30:05 am »
I've read that goats milk protein is similar to cow's milk protein, so if she's intolerant to one it's likely she's intolerant to the other.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 02:11:40 am »
Yep, I don't have the paper in front of me from the allergist, but I believe it is 50% to 75% of people allergic to cows milk are allergic to goats milk.

Normally you don't even try cows milk or goats milk until age 1.  Personally I would keep him on the formula for as long as you can if that is working.


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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 02:25:54 am »
Okay thanks, I was hoping to try something different to see if it was the formula that is causing his excema.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 05:34:54 am »
It is possible it could be the formula causing the eczema though it is not always the case. You could try a hypoallergenic formula to se if that helped. It depends what country you are in as to whether you will need a prescription for this. It is expensive OTC though. In the UK goats milk formula is available to buy from some health food shops and you can get it off the internet. Like previous posters have said though there is a high chance that your lo would react to that aswell. I do know a few children that have done very well on it. My sds's reaction to goats milk is actually worse than it is to cows milk. James also reacts to soy which is another alternative. If your doctor really thinks it is a possibility and the hypoallergenic formulas don't work he/she could prescribe an elemental formula like neocate. This is what my son was prescribed and it really made a difference to his eczema. We did also have to remove other allergens but dairy was the biggest culprit.

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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 11:29:34 am »
Yes, it is expensive here in Canada, and my pediatrician does not think his eczema is from the formula, because he says my son doesn't have eczema as bad as others.  Though I explained it is not as bad now because he gets the steroid cream which helps a lot.  But he still doesn't think it is the formula, though I wish we could try something else just to see for sure if that is the case.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 23:11:50 pm »
Can you send a pic of his eczema? I am curicous to see what it looks like.

What formula is he on now?  Is it milk based?  I am also certain you could Nutramigen yourself and see if it worked.
 
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 15:19:22 pm »
Yes, he is currently on a milk based formula, President's Choice.  A while ago I tried him on Nestle Good start because I came across some website that said the proteins are broken down more so therefore less allergic reaction.  The reaction my son got was extreme irritability, diarrhea, refusal to eat much.  On the other hand his eczema cleared up.  But I switched him back to PResident's Choice, and as soon as I did he become extremely congested again, he's always congested now, and his eczema came back.  He also seems to almost always have slight blood in his mucus in his nose.

We don't have Nutramigen here, we do have Ailamentum but it would cost me $80 for just one week of this stuff.  He also seems to react terrible to Oats and Barley. Throwing up starts 2-3 hours after he eats just one spoonful of it, lots of throw up until it is completely out of his system, plus diarrhea, paleness, lethargic, but the doctor says he just has a sensitive tummy, even though no testing was done.

I don't have any pics of it because I can get rid of about 85% of it with the steroid cream.  You can still see where on his skin it is/was, it is very minor if I keep up the steroid cream.  But he also gets it on his cheeks real bad, he keeps rubbing it, scratching it.  It is very flaky and red, and at its worse it opens and oozes, yeah real icky.  Hard to get that cleared up because he keeps rubbing it.  I pin his arms in his sleeper down to his sides when he sleeps since he was 4 months old.  He also has it bad on his hands because I don't put the cream there as I'm afraid he'll put it in his mouth.  His hands are super rough, feels like he is wearing mitts.

I use to have eczema when I was a kid, my dad did too.  But never as bad as my son.

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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 15:35:49 pm »
Have you taken your ds to a naturopath?

My ds had some excema as well, and when I switched his formula, it went away, so I knew there was an ingredient in there causing it. Never did find out what. However, my friend (a fellow BW!) had issues too and went to a naturopath who told her that many kids have reactions to coconut oil, which is in almost all formulas. She put her ds on goats milk at 6 or 7mths old (under supervision of the naturopath who ensured he had all added supplements like Vitamin D) and his excema, irritablility, spitting up, stomach issues, etc. went away almost immediatley. After he went on it, it was the first time he actually started to sleep 'normal'.

My ds was on it too and did great on it. He was on the Good Start and we had tummy issues with it as well.

Another mum in our birth thread who's 3 daughters have MSPI put her youngest on goats milk and it worked for her. She had been on Nutrimagen or whatever it is as well.

I say see a naturopath first. They have so much more insight that the doctors when it comes to food sensitivites.

Keep in mind that yes, goat and cow proteins are similair, but they aren't the SAME.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 15:37:52 pm »
Do you know if naturopath's are expensive?
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 03:39:43 am »
Agree, I would try that.  We almost went that route with my son and if his sensitivities continue, I may go that route. 
I believe they are more knowlegable, because they take the time to learn about senstivities.

I found my allergist list and it says that 92% of people with a milk allergy will react to coats milk also.

I know $80.00 a week is ALOT of $$, but if you can swing it for 2 weeks, just to see if milk is the problem, I would highly recommend it.

Also you can order it off E-bay cheaper. 

my son also reacts to oats and gets a terrible rash all over his face, but he tested negative on the allergy test.

I would push really hard for some testing or atleast try the hypoallergenic formula.

Have you tried SOY?  That is just as cheap as the others.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 04:46:54 am »
I know there is a proven high chance of those who react to cows reacting to goats but thought I would share my DD had bad eczema but all her allergy tests came back clear, my next step was to try a prescription HA formula anyway but I thought I would give goats a go in the mean time just to see. Within 4 weeks her eczema had almost gone. I think sometimes it can be 'something' in the formula that isn't agreeing with them as pp's have said. Goats was easily accessible for us and I just thought it can't hurt to try. Luckily for us it worked. Good luck.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 15:08:58 pm »
I think the initial appt for a naturopath is a little expensive (about $120), but the following are only about $30. Plus, check your benefits and if they don't cover some or all, if you have a health care spending account, that will.

If you do go see a naturopath, be sure to find out if they deal with infants and toddler first. You want them to have that experience.

But so worth it for their insight considering it may save you loads of frustration in the future (as in knowing what ingredients to watch for instead of just avoiding all milk products). They have all the education of an MD and then the naturopath side, so they really can offer more information that a regular doc may just brush aside and overlook.

And the goats milk is far cheaper than formula, so it would balance out very quickly if he were able to take it. I think I was spending $90 a month on formula, and only $45 on goats milk when we switched. Maybe not that much, but I know it was pretty much half the cost.
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 15:43:30 pm »
I've tried soy, but there was no difference.  I think first I will try the goat's milk, since it is cheaper and go from there.  Just got to figure out where to buy the stuff.  I will look into also if my Blue Cross covers any part of the naturopath.  Sounds like a good place to go.

Thanks!
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Re: Goat's Milk Better for MSPI??
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 16:25:01 pm »
Make sure you put his Vitamin D in there!

I see you are in Canada? Safeway carries it, so does Save on Foods (but they aren't everywhere), Sobeys has it too. Not sure on some of the other chains. Call first...safes you a trip...or four.  ;)
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