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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2008, 16:19:33 pm »
I would like to get him to bed earlier, but unfortunately a 6:00 bedtime isn't very feasible most days.  I don't think I could get a few days of it in a row...  (Especially this weekend - we have to go to a nearby state park for my company "retreat", so we'll be up there all day Saturday and spending the night, so naps and bedtime will be ALL SORTS of screwed up... but I'm sure I'll whine about the results of the trip in a few days here on the message boards).  Anyway, I might could try that starting at the end of next week, but if I tried for a 6:00 bedtime on the days I work in the office, we'd basically have to completely skip dinner!
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #106 on: September 11, 2008, 16:20:30 pm »
I sincerely appreciate the suggestion and help, though!  Thanks.  :)
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #107 on: September 11, 2008, 16:57:41 pm »
Ok ladies here's my question of the day: Yesterday J took a 2 hour midday nap (11:45-1:45). I 'assumed' she could do 5 hours in the pm and didn't put her in bed till 7. She did not fall asleep till 7:30 and then woke at 5:50 this morning. :( So my question is: if she's taking 1.5-2 hours of a nap at midday how many hours of A should she have? In the mornings she does 5-5.5 (max) before nap. I know she was OT as this morning has been awful here. Just whining and crying and fits. I held her out till 11:30 b/c I didn't want her to nap too early and then really be cranky this afternoon. She went to sleep in less than 5 minutes. Hopefully, she'll do 2 hours, but then what time is bed? 6:30 in bed or asleep by 6:30 which means in bed at 6:15?? Not really sure how much A time she should be getting post nap.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #108 on: September 11, 2008, 17:42:16 pm »
asleep by 6:15 based on what you are saying, even 6 since she had such an early morning (think 12 hour day no matter what)...

actually, this might help you, it has helped us. 

instead of thinking of A time post nap at this age, think of 12 hour day, and A time in the morning.  So wake, 5 or 5.5 hours of A time, nap, then in bed 12 hours from wake up time ...the only caveat is that if they have a nap less than 2 hours, then take that time off bed time.  so for J who woke at 5:50 the day would be a bit like this...

5:50am wake
11:30 am nap (assuming 5.5 A time)
1 pm wake (assuming bad nap, only 1.5 hours for example)
5:30 bed (6 pm would have been 12 hours, but she was 30 mins shy of the 2 hour nap, so 5:30)

I know you are both rolling your eyes at the early bedtime, and it is extreme, but if you peruse the nap boards, the theory is that you would only have to do this for a little while to prevent OT while they learn to sleep longer in the day, which will improve night sleep and you get back to a more realistic wake and bed time. 

hth a bit.  we are just on the tail end of that and to be honest with you, we still have nights where they need to be in bed by 6:15 and it is hard, because that is just too early.  but if we don't do it, we get even more out of whack...it's a balance of what you can do versus what you can accept in terms of bad naps/nights.

hang in there.

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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2008, 01:50:11 am »
I'm not rolling my eyes at the early bedtime at all... I just can't get him in bed by 6 most nights because I can't get him home from daycare, feed him and get him ready for bed by then.  I am certainly not willing to just accept crappy sleep just to put him down a little later.  If I could bust my butt any more on the days I worked out of the home, I would, but I can't!  There's only so much time in the day, and 3 days a week I have no choice but to work.  DH got a new job and has to leave earlier, so now I do the drop off on those days, and it's killing me.  Combine that with the fact that I KNOW I need to get him to bed early but just can't... well, I am swallowing my fair share of guilt.

Our day/night has been awful, by the way.  He only slept 45 minutes at daycare, partially because his regular teacher wasn't in there at the end of his first sleep cycle, and the fill in person just got him up when he woke up crying (already OT).  I gave him a super fast dinner, and turned out the light at 6:05.  He couldn't seem to get settled, and he wouldn't stop crying, even if I was holding him.  He got so upset he sounded like he was going to throw up.  I finally got him calmed down and he went to sleep at 9:00.  He slept 45 minutes and is now up crying again BIG TIME.  He has medicine in him, so he's not in pain - just SO overtired he can't stand it.

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'm off to attempt to calm him down, even though he will probably just get more upset with me in there.  This sucks big time.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2008, 11:00:23 am »
He didn't fall asleep for the night until 12:05 am.  Fantastic.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2008, 14:45:30 pm »
oh Mom to thomas, i am so sorry you ahd such a terrible night.

i sure do hope you didn't take my 'advice' as some kind of criticism......i think you are doing a great job and with work and everything, you are doing your absolute best!  all i was hoping to convey is that that routine i posted would be the ideal siutation for resolving the overtired bit, so as close as you can get to it will be most helpful.  hang in there, let us know how you are doing today.  for what it is worth, the kind of unseltted night you just had in our house would usually be a precursor to illness or some signifcant milestone.


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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2008, 20:19:01 pm »
Ding ding ding!  You are correct in guessing that illness was the culprit of the awful night we had!  I took DS to the pediatrician this morning, and he has a super bad ear infection in both ears.  She said on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the worst), both ears are at about a 9.  So, with the help of antibiotics, pain meds and understand, we hope to have a better night tonight!  Today has already been better.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #113 on: September 12, 2008, 22:25:51 pm »
poor little guy, and poor mommy.  get well wishes comign your way !!!!!

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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2008, 00:28:16 am »
Oh my goodness! Poor Thomas. :( Glad you found out what was wrong. Sending lots of get well hugs and I hope you have a much better night.

J didn't take all that long of a nap today. Barely 1.5 hours and was up by 1:05pm. Got her in bed at 6:35pm but she didn't fall asleep till about 7:10. OT?? Probably should have had her in bed by 6:15. Grrr...so hard to figure these things out. Hopefully, she'll do at least 11 hours.

Wishing everyone else a good night's sleep!
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2008, 18:12:22 pm »
Ugghhh!! The past 2 days her naps have gotten shorter! What the heck?!?! I've been putting her down at the exact same time (between 11:30-11:45am) and she's only sleeping an hour 15 max! She had been doing 1.5-2 hours before. Today she went to sleep at 11:55 and is now up at 1:10. Am I going to have to do a 6pm bedtime now?? She was up at 6:30 this morning.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2008, 18:14:55 pm »
i would say as close to 6 pm as you can get, but remember, that is 5 hours A time at teh end of the day,s he may need to go down even earlier.  don't be afraid of 5:30 if it will stave off OT

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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2008, 18:25:20 pm »
^^Thanks! I do think her short nap is definetly from being OT. The was very cranky and tired and yawning around 10:30, but I was way too nervous to put her down, even for a short nap b/c I did it earlier this week and it totally backfired. She napped 20 minutes in the am and then totally refused the pm. So, I just kept her up until she was OT. :( So hard to get it right! I am definetly planning on a 6pm bedtime tonight.
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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2008, 20:14:42 pm »
sounds like a plan.....hang in there....it's hard work this stage.  keep an eye on  her, if you see her tiring early, do hurry up offence and quick bedtime routine, even 5:30 or 5:45 if you have to.  the earlier she is asleep the better (and longer) night you will have....

huge hugs to you both!!


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Re: Taking Forever to Fall Asleep!
« Reply #119 on: September 14, 2008, 07:22:47 am »
Hi newmama, I haven't posted recently as we're still holding on to two naps most days but the other day I had to give her one nap as we were going to be out in the afternoon and she did her usual 1.20 mins from 11.45 - 1pm and she was fine all afternoon as we were out but when I got home at 5pm she was really upset when going into the high chair and I quickly realised that she was really tired, so I persevered with the dinner, tried to put on a baby einstein dvd to distract but even that didn't work so gave her her bottle and ran the bath.  All through this she was crying, cried through her bath (never does this) and kept looking at me as if 'please put me to bed'.  We basically rushed dinner, bottle, bath, pj's, story all in 3o mins and she was in bed by 5.40pm.  I had never ever done this before - the earliest I have done is 6.30 and I think once I did 6.15pm.  My husband came home from walking the dog and I said she was asleep and he laughed (he totally understood) and said oh well, guess we'll just get up early.  Well, she slept from 5.40pm - 6.30pm so I will not be afraid of the early bedtime.  I don't want to make a habit of doing that but on the days where I have to do one sleep I think that might be my plan now.  I haven't had much luck with the 20 min cat nap because I couldn't wake her from her am sleep, and the late pm catnap is a bit hit and miss...  Just thought I'd share that.  Funnily enough she could have done with a very early bedtime yesterday as well as we were out in the afternoon and she had to nap at a friends house which was cut very short due to barking dogs and I put her to bed at 6.30 and she didn't do as much sleep as she did when I put her down at 5.40pm...  Today we have, however had success with two naps so at least we can have a 7pm bedtime tonight...