what is going on with him.......

[lin7604]

yes i have tried tylenol for bed and it makes no difference, it really never did with teething for him??

i am doing just that, if his' nap is less then 1.5hrs i bring his bedtime early.  TOnight i know will be another wake up due to OT as i had a meeting and when i got hom daddy hadn't given him supper yet and by the time he finished it was pretty much bedtime!!!!  i couldn't believe it he didn't give him dinner yet!!!!  so there went my plan today to try to out rule the OT thing as i didn't get him to bed till shortly after 7:35 ish. sleeping ofr 7:45 but that was too much awake time..... oh well i guess i will try 2morrow again, maybe that is just what it is.... OTness!

does anyone know when they get to that age that it's less likely for them to wake at night due to OT??? i will post another thread to see if i get some answers.

[yaya]

LOL men! I remember thinkign the same thing, when do they just SLEEP when tired! i think thomas started around 2,5 yrs.

I would try super early bedtime between 6.30 and 7 for 3 days or so and see what you get, also try to extend the nap?

[lin7604]

oh i can try all i want to extend his naps i never ever had sucess!
OH last night was TERRIBLE!!!! i don't if it was OT of teeth, or what.  He woke up 6 times before midnight!!!!!! the frst 2,5 hrs was good, but then woke up every 30 min after that.  I gave him tylenol at 11 thinkin git was teeth and he was still waking up till around 1am, then he slept from 1-6:55.   boy oh boy!  he better get ship shape this week as i go back to work on sept 2nd and him to daycare............

[lin7604]

well i will add today he was whiney adn thre twmper tantrums often, i know it's b/c of his night.  He ended up falling asleep at 10:30 for only 1hr 15 min!  So lets see how tonight goes, he was in bed by 7pm.  My friend said that i shoul dleave him when he cries as she thinks the only reason why he is waking so often adn b/c it's been a long time now is b/c he has let it become habit??? what do you think???

[yaya]

I (like the other Tracy and the BWs) am totally against letting kids CIO (cry it out) , if you read her book and the FAQs on general sleep you'll get more info as to why but if you feel that this is the reason he is waking you could try staying in the room with him (gradual withdrawal) and allowing him to cry and you don't respond to it, you sit in the room sohe doesnt feel abandoned but you don't 'help' him to go to sleep in any way and you make him realise that crying is not going to get your attention. He will get bored after a while and forget that you are there and you can do this for a few days then do wi/wo

[skatty]

Those waking every half an hour would definitely be OT, my DD has these when A times have been too long and also a while back when she thought she could go a day with no nap  I would say now she is older she can handle OT better and may even manage to have no NWs but will wake a little early instead, if the OT carries on she will wake at night though. Sorry you are having such a  rough time but it does seem that 21/22 months is rough for a lot of peeps when it comes to sleep, I think they are needing less overall sleep but maybe not as little as we presume and it is a routine change they need. My DD as mentioned started skipping naps so I cut her night sleep down and now she sleeps about 1-1˝ hrs less at night but about  30 minutes more for her nap so in total her sleep needs only reduced about an hour but she needed them spread out more. To sort my mess out I started waking DD at 7am every morning if she wasn't already awake and nap at 12.30, if she wakes earlier I give her nap 5˝hrs after wake but at the beginning when she was having EW and NWs I wouldn't put her down earlier than 11.30, I couldn't believe how quickly things improved. Of course if it is teeth there is not much you can do, have you tried ibuprofen instead of paracetomel? DD has been teething on and off wi´th her second year molars since May with no sign of a tooth yet, I just read another post with a LO who teethed his molars for 8 months 

HTH even if it's only to offer some sympathy and let you know that this age is rough for sleep!

Katt 

[lin7604]

see he never ever used tp have NK's b/c of being OT, he would only wake a real early... so that is why it has me all confused.  I don't believe in the CIO either and i do think there really is a reason why he is doing this.  I have a dr appt today and will get his ears checked just incase as it is getting worse nightly.  Last night i gave him advil before bed and he slept from 7pm till 2:15am but tehn wokr 3 times  and they were about 1 hr apart this time.

glad to know this is common for many at this age, for what ever reason.....

see the main problem is i am starting work again sept 2nd after being off for almost 2 years with him, boy is it going to be rought to go to work if you have been up with him 6 times a night, it's like he's a newborn again!!!!  I also will have to wake him earlier and he already is a early waker as i have to be at work for 7am!  SO he will be in daycare and nap will not be earlier for him no matter what, so i can't mess around with his schedule!   So i know it will be 7pm bed times for the first few weeks.....  i really don't know what to do, it is getting me very frustrated when i hear him at night!  I do think it maybe teeth as on tues night after he kept waking ever 30 min and i gave him advil within that hour he slept throught after, adn last night i gave him advil and  he slept till 2 am  adn that stuff lasts 6-8hrs. so it's bang on, don't you think?  oh boy, i am trying to make sure he doesn't go past A times but this week is such a mess, i could only get him in at teh dr's at 1:30 ( smack in the middle of nap!) so it will be a very short nap and then at 6pm i have a meeeting with work and i have no one to watch him, so i have to bring him.... when bedtime should be by 7pm...... i won't get hom till 7( earliest)or later....  so i don't know how i can combat this....

[skatty]

It does sound like teething, as the advil works I would give it at first moan, if we don't give it to Leorah straight away she really wakes up and then the NWs are longer. How did the docs go, it could be the ears, it is starnge if he is not usually a NW to suddenly have so many NWs. I can understand how hard it will be to work and be getting up in the night, I hope this is resolved quickly.

[lin7604]

me too!!!  well the dr today said that she said it could be 2 things.  He is having issues with his feet as they were peeling and cracking bably before and bleeding.  She gave a cream then and it has cleared it up a bit ( no more cracking and bleeding) but they are still peeling???  the cream can only be used once a day adn the other times she told me to use that pectin (sp?) cream.  well it is so thick that when i rub it on his feet he cries as they are so sensitive.  she said it is a coinsedence that it all started around the same time, so maybe it's his feet bugging him at night??? dry, itchy, sore, burning feeling, etc  so when i give him advil adn it helps a bit that may relieve some of those symptoms too.... Then she said OR get him out of his crib!  I was like " WHAT"!!!! i never expected to hear that.  she said he's a big boy and him jumping in it when he wakes isn't good, so put his mattress on the floor until he's used to it and then put him in his big bed....  i didn't think his bed had anything to do with it, it's not like he hates his crib or he cries when i put him in it.....  she said he might also be tossing in his sleep banging himself and waking himself up too.... or he's feeling closterphobic at night..................... i have no idea what do you thinkabout what the dr said?

she gave us a new cream for his feet and a penicillion incase it's a bacterial infection.

[yaya]

Awww poor baby, sore feet, that can't be nice....
Up to you on the big boy big...I'm not that brave yet LOL but then I have 2 and fear DS would get out and cause havoc!

[skatty]

Oh yeah poor baby  I think it is much more likely the feet than the cot. When I was pregnant I had something called obsetric cholestasis and one of the symptoms was itchy , burning feet at night, I couldn't sleep and the only way I could get relief was to sit with my feet in iced water, this would be awful for LO, I used to sit in the front room with my feet in a bucket crying, I hope they clear up soon.

[lin7604]

i do too, i believe it's not the cot issue either.  last night he was in bed for 8 ( late b/c of that work meeting) and he slept about 5 hrs and then woke crying. he woke again about 40 min after that, so i decided to give him tylenol.  HE woke again 30 min after ( i fiugured the tylenol wasn't kicking in yet), i snuggled him a bit, reminded him he need to sleep, no crying, no jumping. he then slept till 7am. ( tylenol must of kick in).  So i don't know... i don't want to give him tylenol nightly......

the last thing i thinkhe needs right now is a change in his room with his crib being gone.... who knows he may surprise me and do ok with it gone and well sleeping on a mattress but i have my doubts.  I KNOW he will be in and out all night, i will be constantly bringing him back to his bed... now he knows he can get out all on his own at any time...... but  we will do it soon i guess b/c he will be sleeping on a cot at daycare so i figure if he's ok with it there then he will do good at home...i hope...

[lin7604]

so i just read in another post that teething doesn't last for months.... only short times and that is what we experienced in the past, maybe 2-3 weeks TOPS!!!!  Well we have had 5 full weeks now of this and i don't know what to do..... it's up and down. i looked back on the calendar adn it's been like this...4 Nk's, 2 STN, 2NK's, 2 STN,6 NK's, 2 STN, 2 NK's 1 STN, 1 NK, 3 STN, 1 NK, 2 STN, 6 NK's, 1 STN, 2 NK's.  this is the pattern in teh past 5 weeks of him.... what do you make of it.  The last few days i really focused on him not going over 5.5 hrs A time in case it was OT but it didn't make a difference.  he still woke the last 2 nights....

Also with his 1st molars we had no idea they were comin gin at all, they were just there, so i don't know if it really is teeth or something else.... but what?

[skatty]

Well I can vouch for the fact that Leorah's molars have taken more than 3 weeks  She does not have NWs often though and if she does it is once and meds do the trick. What else could it be though  Is it possible he could have an ear infection? Leorah has had one with no obvious signs but when I read up on them sleep broken sleep is a very common symptom even if there are no other signs. Other than that it sounds like OT but the pattern where he wil sleep through the night a few nights and then start waking again doesn't really fit does it? Could it be something like a stomache ache? Any changes in his diet? The penicillin?? How are his feet now?

[lin7604]

nope no ear infection , i just had him at the dr on thurs.  I gave him tylenol before bed last night and he seemed wired after, it took him over  1 hr to sleep.  Every 20 min or so he would cry or jump in his bed.  Then he woke at 12 and 2. I made sure he was in bed for 7pm too.  no change in his diet, he is extremely picky!!!!  His feet have improved 90%!!! no effects from the meds at all. 

today was his first day at daycare and he did well playing etc but nap time was terrible, i had to have another staff to come in to rub him as with me being in the same room wasn't good!!!! ( as i work at the daycare as well).   as soon as another staff came in he was sleeping 5 min later!  BUT it was 30 min past his A time... so we will see how long he sleeps as there is a little girl screaming her head off right now while i am on lunch and see how early bedtime will have to be!