I am so desperate, can someone help me?

[Vicku]

Hi again...
Posted at the same time
Glad you're feeling a little better and DH is home for a few days!
I agree try to stretch out bedtime if at all possible. It might be worth it just to 'force' her to take her 9-10 hrs later so you get later mornings. I know it is risky and could back fire but, I'd do it too

[RACHPEM]

Thanks again for you encouragement Vicku, I dont think I can make much worse by stretching bedtime I have tried everything else.  Tbh we are off out on Saturday night and will have to take her with us anyway so we may as well start there as things will be all over anyway.
Rachael x

[bethanys mummy]

Hi there

just to add - I use ear plugs, eye cover AND pillow over my head. not sexy but it works and sometimes I go into the deepest sleep on my lie ins because I am relaxing properly. Also things like Bachs rescue remedy or other homeopathic ideas may help YOU relax properly when you get a chance, you may not be getting the right quantity of sleep but quality also counts

E x

[RACHPEM]

Quick note, Maya has been horrid this morning even more than usual her temperment has been very bad throwing tantrums for nothing.  Anyway I have put her down for 11am as by 10am tbh she was looking really tired and whiny so no way could I push any further plus she was driving me crazy! so I am now going to put my feet up and try to rest up a little, I know I was feeling brave earlier when I posted saying i was going to keep her up but I am not sure I can cope on my own with her until that time so I may try an earlier bed time today as she has had little sleep and see if we get a longer night even though I know it will stil lbe an early start.  But my question is do you think this is a good idea and what time would you go for? i am guessing she will only nap for around 1hr and it is unlikely she will take a nap later and tbh when she has done she wont go to bed so early and then she still gets a ashort night as she wakes the same time anyway.
going to lie down now yay, stuff the housework.
Rachael x
Rachael x

[RACHPEM]

Now I know she is really OT.  She slept 1hr as predicted but she was really upset and when I went in she was tossing around in the cot , I ay my hand on her and she started to drop back off but as soon as I left the room she shouted me bit was still lying down which never happens at nap times in fact the last time i had to watch her sleep for naps was when she was a baby. I eventually left after about 20 mins so now that changes things for tonight, how would you play it now?
Cheers,
Rachaelx

[bethanys mummy]

Well in a way its good because you are getting a reminder of how she is when really OT IFKWIM? And good that she went back to sleep, even if you were there with her, we have to do that with B still sometimes
  I guess it depends on how she is when she wakes and how long she sleeps for now, but if she wakes about 1.30 then bed at 7?

[RACHPEM]

she prob only slept until 12.50 so i think I am going to go with 6.30 do you think this is ok? She had a full hr of solid sleep then she was dozing from 12-12.20 as she was waking every time i left up til then, then i left and she slept pretty solid again til 12.50ish.
Rachael x

[bethanys mummy]

sorry i missed you , very late night at work

hope all went ok

that hard to resettle then sleeping for 30mins thing is definately a "bethany when OT" thing...........

Hope you get some rest
E x

[RACHPEM]

Well we aimed for a 6.30 bedtime and she fell asleep by 6.40 no nw'w and awake at 5.20am!! yay nearly 11hrs.
Rachaelx

[RACHPEM]

i put her down for an earlier nap today at 11.15 as she was already tired by 10ish and she only slept an hr again, I can see my day getting earlier and finishing earlier already!
Rachaelx

[NiknLily]

Hi Rach

Would it be worth trying for a late catnap just a 20min one which would help you push bedtime later.  I know she may still wake early and not go back to sleep again with wi/wo but if you was to stick with this pattern, allowing of course for her 'usual' night lenth and nap length of say 1.5hrs.  So if she takes 1hr nap then give max 30min catnap and later bedtime.  If she really only wants/needs a short night you should find that her mornings will extend after a while to suit the later bedtime.  just a thought honey.

HUGE HUGS to you sweety.

Lots of Love
Nik

[becky1969]

I'm so sorry Rach, but remind me again about the 2 nap scenario --

Let's say you gave her a 10-15 minute siesta at 10, and then didn't give her another nap until around 2:30.  Would she not sleep at 2:30? How would that work? Because in that scenario even if she only slept for an hour at 2:30, that takes you to a 3:30 waking and easily to a 7:30 bedtime.  Even with only a 10 hour night, that gives you a 5:30 waking, which is better than 4:30!

But I remember 2 didn't work for you before, I just can't remember why.  Just wondering if we can tweak the 2 nap scenario a bit.  Since she's waking SO early, 1 nap is going to be a big challenge for her.

[RACHPEM]

Hi guys, well the last 2-3 days we have had later starts approx 5.20-5.30 but I have gone for earlier bedtimes so still unsure if the short nights were due to OT or that she needs a shorter night.  This real fall in sleep has only been since we have been doing the btc scenario I think she was just too pushed, and she always seems to do better at 6.30 bed rather than later it is funny how a 6,30 bed will give a 5.15 ish wake but 7pm gives 4.30??? anyway the only reason we went to btc was so i could push her day out but obs that has not worked so we are oging to have to go back wards i think for a while why she gets over this OT if she can be consistent for a few days waking at 5.30 with an earlier bedtime then maybe I can asses if she needs a shorter night as I guess when she has " caught up" mornings could get earlier again.  anyway we have a busy weekend on and todya we have been out as I need a break from all this jggling naps ets, and as hubby is off it is not so bad to deal with.  So we shall start afresh again on Monday and if it does not work then we will have to give 2 naps a go again. 
Rachaelx

[RACHPEM]

ok yesterday did 2 naps bed at 8pm up at 4.50!!!!

[RACHPEM]

also meant to aadd 2 nap was not planned it was just we were out and got caught in traffic on way back and she fell asleep at 5pm she was so tired we could not keep her awake.