I am so desperate, can someone help me?

[Mama2boys]

we had a similar problem, and what worked for us was what yaya has suggested, we stuck to the bedtime and it did get worse before it got better. though we are having a  few NW

we also do a 11:30 nap and 7/7:30pm bedtime depending on how long or short the nap was.

Also I would suggest not offering any feed at 4:30 wake up as we did that and it became worse because then DS would start asking for milk at a NW, so come what may, i do not offer DS any food/milk till 6:30 am. On most days I avoid bringing DS to our bed as well some days I do give up...so essentially I keep trying to put DS back to sleep till 6:15 when he is then allowed to come out of bed and milk at 6:30.

the other thing that I think was causing a problem was the temperature change at around that time...the way our timer was set the A/c came on only around 6 am but went off around mid night, so the temperate in DS's room increased at about 4ish and i think the heat was /wakes him up as well.

all the best.

[RACHPEM]

Hi Mukta, thanks for your kind support, I dont know what i would do without you guys on here. I know you have had your fair share of problems with your lo as I have seen your posts on here before.
Becky, thanks for dropping in, I appreciate it. We normally do wi/wo when she wakes early and sometimes it works sometimes not. I have done all the above previously, giving milk, rocking taking her in my bed, getting in her bed but nothing has worked but today for instance she actually lay in her cot for 1hr before she started getting serious about me getting up, I know she did not fall back off as she kept calling my name every 10 mins or so but that is a huge improvement on before as she would be hysterical, which is what makes me think she has had her quota of sleep. I am more than happy to start our day at 6am, and if she needs less sleep then that is fine, it is just the messing about we seem to keep doing and 4.30 is no joke!
Thanks again,
Rachael x

[Mama2boys]

Rachel,

Must admit, I have decided to accept that DS is an early riser, btw there was a time when I enjoyed waking up early!!! Am happy starting my day anytime after 6am.

I am in fact going to try out the Homeopathic remedy, thanks Skatty! And lets see how that goes, but as many have already said, consistency of doing the same thing wrt timings works well, it has for us. after all the various AP bad habits food and rocking is just not an option for us any longer.

[bethanys mummy]

Marking my spot

OOOOh do let me know about the homeopathic remedies, tempting

Still sending HUGS and my ever hopeful thoughts that you are getting there with the STTN, occasionally falling back asleep and occasional longer nap / longer night

But really understand why you are so desparate still, 4.30 is definately no joke

Will check back in couple of days

e x

[bethanys mummy]

quick point

that earlier post has reminded me - I KNOW you dread it but I dont think you have tried W2S have you? We did have sucess with it but it varied and I think that because we had not done the WIWO

Just to reassure you, only once did she stay awake, all other times she went back to sleep, the only variation was that sometimes she still did 10 hrs only, others it worked and she did 11........

I just think that, now you have the WIWO "message" working with her, then it may be the time.....

E x

[Vicku]

Good point Emma!
I keep forgetting, but we actually did have some help from W2S with DD's EW. We didn't mean to but once DH had to get up super super early to catch a flight, so he was up even before she would normally wake. She stirred from hearing him but didn't wake up... and then she slept til 7! First time I think. So it might be worth a try. The key seems to be to get them to stirr, like turn around or something, but not to wake fully. If you've no tried this before it might be worth a try too

[RACHPEM]

Hi guys, well she took a nap of 1.5 yesterday and alseep by 7pm , she stirred at that agic spot of 4.30 but slept til 5.30 so 10.5 plus nap is not so bad. I am not sure w2s would work as I think she is taking what she needs as she settles herself when she wakes and if she needs more she is taking it.  Still early days though so we shall see.
Have a good weekend.
Rachael x

[Vicku]

10.5 plus 1.5 is quite normal here, although she often does 2 hrs nap. It's good though and if she seems ok on that, that's probably sufficient for her. Stay with it and see how you go

[yaya]

thats good news!!

[RACHPEM]

Still aiming for a 11.30 nap but she is taking forever to go to sleep and really upset, she finally fell asleep at 12pm, do you think it is because she is OT as she has never resited naps before? I kknow I am pushing her as she had done 6.5 before nap but that is the idea right? I normally spot when she is getting tired , by her grouchiness and more lethargy but not these last few days nothing at all, not even rubbing eyes or yawns!
Rachael

[Vicku]

Do you 'prepare' her for naps? Like do a special activity before or maybe just tell her it's soon nap time? If sheknows what's coming she might be less resistant... just a thought. Works with my LO, I always tell her a while before, like 10 mins or so, then again at 5 mins...

[yaya]

Yeah it sounds 'normal' to me, she WILL be OT after 6.5hrs but this is wwhat I do with my DD when we're stuck in a viscous cycle, I imagine the routine I want her to be on and pretend we are on it IYKWIM? so I pretend 7 am ia wakeup , pretend we had a 2 hrs nap then 5hrs A time before bed, it takes about a week if u can stick it out with the OT but the body clock falls into the new rotuine eventually and you have cracked the cycle!

[RACHPEM]

Morning everyone, we have been up again since 4.30!!!! I know it is not going to happen overnight but surely she should sleep if she is tired? She took an hr and 30 mins nap again and bed by 7pm , she woke at 4.30 and despite our best efforts would not go back to sleep, by 8.20 she was looking pretty beat but I dont want to go down the catnap route again as we have tried that so I determined we are sticking to this new plan for a wk at least before we change anything again but 4.30 is so hard!
Rachael x

[yaya]

It is really hard, and very strict but I think when you'vr tried everything else, it's the only way to go, think it took us about a week....

[RACHPEM]

Thanks, that is great to hear at least I have something to focus on.  Really appreciate your support.
Rachael x