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BW day 9 not getting better; please advise!
« on: September 13, 2008, 16:32:23 pm »
our 11 month old son was still sleeping in our bed and breastfeeding all night long--every one to 2 hours-- since birth; it was the only thing that kept him relaxed, he is the lightest sleeper and very restless sleeper and i guess what you call spirited. but over the last months even that wasn't helping. -finally we got the courage to try the BW methods. 9 days ago, when DS started daycare and we heard there was sleeping on a matress just with back patting, we also put up a crib at home and started to separate the breastfeeding from sleep. we try to also add calories and more water during the day, since he is obviously getting less now at night, since i am now only feeding him once or twice during the night instead of many times. my son likes to eat but he doesn't like to drink from a bottle or sippy cup (he will take sips here and there) so this may be part of the problem. we give him water and he won't take formula.
for 9 days my husband puts the baby down in his crib to sleep and if he cries or stands he puts him back down on his belly; otherwise he just pats his back until he falls asleep. he has tried rubbing his back instead but the patting hard at first and then lighter is the only thing that turns the cries into the sleep mantra moans that help him sleep. sometimes this takes ten minutes and sometimes it takes one hour; this has been true every night. when he is very agitated he rolls onto his back and outstretches his arms to be picked up and wonm't go on his stomach. when he is relaxed he does the "mantra" cry. if i "dream feed" him around 11 or 12 or even 1, he will fall right back asleep. but the rest of the night is a disaster after 3....i have felt since birth that he is overtired but haven't been able to get him to sleep more than a total of 12 hours a day, including naps. now with BW it seems he is sleeping even a bit less.
he is very tired when he goes down so between 630 or seven pm or so until 330am or so, he will sleep okay, but still waking every one or two hours, until we pat him down. there has been NO improvement.
in addition, from 330am or so, he is impossible to get back to sleep. he screams and cries and can take an hour to fal back asleep, and then sometimes he will only sleep 20 minutes. he has sevl times since starting BW gotten up at 430 for the day. he takes 2 naps during the day, a short one in the morning and a bit longer in the afternoon. i have tried to put him to sleep later but he's too tired and i've tried to put him to sleep earlier but then usually he wakes earlier.
we would like to have him on a proper schcedule but since BW every day he gives different tired clues and sleeps different hours, depending on how well he did on BW the night before and what time he wakes up sometimes he is screaming like crazy already by 6pm and won't eat and only wants to breastfeed so i'll put him to sleep early. tonight he was fine until 7, even though he woke up at 430 am and was awake for 45 minutes in the middle of the night. still he was pretty grumpy today but wouldn't stay asleep.
i have asked myself if maybe he needs less sleep than other babies and that's why after 9 hours he seems wide awake. but he is not awake and happy. he is grumpy and crying. in fact he often cries when he wakes up. i thought the PD method is supposed to get better every night. i know tracey said to give it 2 weeks. SO--does anyone--pleasssse-- have advice about what might help or what might be happening or if really he will be sleeping well by day 14? there is no indication of that i'm afraid!
he doesn't really have a schedule but let's say it is similar to this:
500am wake. breastfeed
6am E whole fat yoghurt (no sugar)
73o (breastfeed to tank him for daycare since he doesn't drink too much water and won't take formula yet).
900 daycare breakfast (fruit and cottage cheese or bread and cottage cheese and water
930 or 10am 30-60 minute sleep
1230 daycare lunch (chicken meatballs or soy patties and rice and peas and water
130 sleep 60-90 minutes (usually a total of 2 hours morning and PM naps together) and water after.
400 breastfeed
500 dinner (vegetable soup and a protein)
600 breastfeed if he won't drink water or else breastfeed before sleep)
700 sleep
9pm wake to be patted down
1030 wake to be patted down
1130 wake to be patted down
100 wake-breastfeed. pat down.
330 wakes and is patted down for one hour
430-5 sleeps
THANK YOU for any help!!



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Re: BW day 9 not getting better; please advise!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2008, 17:27:37 pm »
your routine actually looks pretty good.  At his age, most bubs are doing 1 short nap and one longer nap - in preparation for the transition to 1 nap.  A total of 2 hrs of daytime sleep is pretty good.  Most bubs will do 11-12 hrs at night then.  I think its just such a HUGE adjustment for him.  He's used to sleeping with you and being fed every time he wakes at night.  It will take more than 9 days to break that habit.  Does he have any kind of a lovie (stuffed animal/blanket) for comfort?  You may want to try to introduce something so that he has something to comfort himself with when he wakes.  When he wakes at night - is he immediately crying for you?  If he's just fussing, leave him to see if he'll settle himself.  If he begins the "I need you" cry, then go in and do exactly what you've been doing.  The "results in 14 days" is an average guideline - every bub is different.  And you've made a massive change to your bub's routine - for 11 months, he's not slept by himself, and he's not had to comfort himself back to sleep - he's had you.  It's going to take time and consistency, but he will get it.  Hang in there!!!!!
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Re: BW day 9 not getting better; please advise!
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2008, 18:35:06 pm »
hi and thanks so much for your message and your support. i don't worry about the 2 hrs sleep during the day but that he is not getting 11 to 12 at night; he is getting 9 to 10 at night; this seems less than any other little ones his age and he seems overtired like he needs much more. but you are so right ; i have made a lot of big changes at one time, new bed, less breastfeeding, and daycare. so we will keep on and fingers crossed!

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2008, 23:58:21 pm »
hang in there!!!  His night sleep will get better, he just needs to get used to doing it on his own.  YOu're doing great!
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 06:44:11 am »
it's the next (bleary) morning. last night he "slept" from 7-3am, waking every hour or two, then back to sleep with patting. not bad. but from 3...awake for 40 minutes crying; slept half an hour...awake for half an hour....slept half an hour....you get the picture. with my first son, who had also slept in our bed and nursed often on demand, he made progress from day 1, going from waking every 2 hrs to only once the first night. from the second night he was sleeping through. so despite the big changes with ds2, i'm wondering, shouldn't we see ANY progress after ten days? longer periods between waking? if i had a sign from him that he was learning a tiny itty bit, it would make it easier to keep it up. from 3am he's so hard to keep asleep that our patting on his bum and back gets harder and harder (it soothes him); he's eventually fall asleep but often will wake after ten minutes. why does he keep waking up? could there be another problem other than that its a big adjustment? since he was born he has always stirred at every sound. and isn't sleeping 9 hrs at night too little for an almost one-yr-old? if any one has had a similar situation that they overcame, it would be great to see the end of someone else's tunnel, so to speak. thank you all so much!

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Re: BW day 9 not getting better; please advise!
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 19:24:21 pm »
He definitely needs more than 9 hrs of sleep a night.  He may just be a lighter sleeper than your first son, so it's taking him longer to catch on.  I'd check out his room environment  - is it really dark?  You may want to try blackout shades if necessary.  Are there lights in the room (nightlights, monitors etc) that could be distracting?  Does he have a lovie?  I never co-slept, so I didn't have the same issue as you, but hopefully some other moms will jump in to help out!  Hang in there!!!  It really does look like you're doing the right things.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 20:03:39 pm »
thank you so much, i hope you are right. unfortunately he has never attached to objects (paci, blanket, etc) and we are struggling for months just to get him to hold the bottle in his mouth without hurling it to the ground. his room is pretty dark but he sleeps with our toddler who is afraid of pitch black so we leave a hall light on. the toddler is a quiet and sound sleeper, but ds2 seems to stir between sleep cycles or when he moves. he slept like that while co-sleeping too and often breastfeeding didn't even help. may i also post on the pu/pd boards, or on sleep issues, to search for moms who may have had similar experiences?

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 20:25:27 pm »
I would definitely post on pu/pd - I don't have a lot of experience using that, so you'll certainly get more input on that aspect of it.  Or you could post on NWs, since that seems to be the bigger issue at the moment.  I'll keep checking in on you here.  Let me know if you post elswhere and I"ll check in there.  I'm guessing he's just a light sleeper and it will take more time.  Hang in there!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 04:58:36 am »
okay will do! thank you so much.