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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2008, 15:48:36 pm »
Soy contains isoflavone, which is a type of Photoestregen.   Here, I got this from Wikipedia, very interesting, I think basically in animals it has shown a negative reaction, and there hasn't been enough study done yet to see what affects it has on humans.
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[citation needed]

Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing 13–273 µg/100 g dry weight.[45] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans, split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only coumestan in foods.[46][47]

Soybeans and processed soy foods do not contain the highest "total phytoestrogen" content of foods. A study in which data were presented on an as-is (wet) basis per 100 g and per serving found that food groups from highest to lowest levels of total phytoestrogens per 100 g are nuts and oilseeds, soy products, cereals and breads, legumes, meat products, various processed foods that may contain soy, vegetables, and fruits.[48]

[edit] Women

A 2001 literature review suggested that women with current or past breast cancer should be aware of the risks of potential tumor growth when taking soy products, based on the effect of phytoestrogens to promote breast cancer cell growth in animals.[49]

A 2006 commentary reviewed the relationship with soy and breast cancer. They stated that soy may prevent breast cancer, but cautioned that the impact of isoflavones on breast tissue needs to be evaluated at the cellular level in women at high risk for breast cancer.[50]

[edit] Men

Because of the phytoestrogen content, some studies, but not all, have suggested that there is an inverse correlation between soybean ingestion and testosterone in men.[51] For this reason, they may protect against the development of prostate cancer.[52] A theoretical decrease in the risk of prostate cancer should, however, be weighed against the possible side-effects of decreased testosterone, which are still unclear. The popular fear that soybeans might cause reduced libido and even feminine characteristics in men has not been indicated by any study; the popularity of the notion seems to be based on the simplistic misapprehension that estrogen and testosterone have a simple, inverse relationship in sexual hormone systems and sex-related behaviour. Their interplay is very complicated and largely still unknown.[53]

Studies published in July 2008 show that Soy products and, more specifically, the phytoestrogen they contain might lower a man's sperm count.[54]

[edit] Infant formula

There are some studies that state that phytoestrogen in soy can lead to alterations in the proliferation and migration of intestinal cells. The effects of these alterations are unknown.[55] However, some studies conclude there are no adverse effects in human growth, development, or reproduction as a result of the consumption of soy-based infant formula.[56] Other reviews agree, but state that more research is needed to answer the question of what effect phytoestrogens have on infants.[57][58] Soy formula has also been linked to autoimmune disorders of the thyroid gland.[59]
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2008, 16:08:37 pm »
I am embarrassed to show my ignorance, but what does that mean, is it still better than non organic milk? And are they talking about organic soy?

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2008, 16:41:00 pm »
It doesn't matter, it's in soy beans, it has nothing to do with whether or not it's organic.  What it is saying is that there shows some proof to reaction in animals, but none really yet in humans.  They say it should be studied more before they say one way or the other.  So really, we don't know, but some err on the side of caution and refuse to ingest it.  Whether it is good or worse for you is still yet to be really seen.
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2008, 17:58:53 pm »
If your lo will take meat, that is great for the protein.  If for some reason, he stops eating meat or eggs (if you are doing them), I would add 1 tablespoon of Rice Protein Powder to his rice milk for the protein. 

I had to do that with DS1, but not with DS2 yet, but I am sure I will have to start.

- anniedooda:  I would go off what your doctor suggests and your own judgement of soy milk.  Every doctor has a different view and everyone does.  If you research it online, soy milk is really scary for babies.  In some countries it has even been baned (well soy formula).

If you research cow's milk, I am sure you will find just as scary stuff.  It really is crazy, no one knows what is good anymore.

But, when my son was born, the Ped did say they don't like to use Soy formula anymore, so who really knows.


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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2008, 02:04:35 am »
Thanks once again I really appreciate all the feedback.  I have already looked into purchasing rice protein.  I am comparing rice milks to get the most out of them.

One more question....if I may.....at his age 1yr almost 3 weeks.....how much milk (rice milk + coconut milk) should he be drinking anyway?  Right now he drinks about 9 oz in the morning, 7oz after his am nap and 7oz after his pm nap  and he gets a bf in the evening which i will wean when I get back from vacation.  Is this too much?  He really loves his milk and food....thank god.

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2008, 02:12:43 am »
I'm not sure about the amounts of milk he should get, but in regards to the coconut milk I basically would use 1 oz of coconut milk and 7oz of rice milk.  He drank 8oz all together.  When you do add rice protein I would suggest adding it slowly, it can irritate some baby's bellies at first if it is too much protein at once.
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2008, 02:13:30 am »
** Ooo that was my 1000 th post ***  Back to topic
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2008, 14:13:37 pm »
Cool thanks for the info.....Congrats on the 1000 post now 1008 LOL!!!!

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2008, 19:20:51 pm »
I add 2 oz. of coconut milk to 6 oz. of rice milk.  The cocunut milk I buy for every 2 oz. is equal to the same amount of fat that whole cow's milk would have in it.

I believe at 1 year they should get between 16 to 24 oz. of milk/ calcium a day.  3 servings.  A serving could be 1 cup of milk, 1 slice of cheese, 1 tub of yogurt, etc. 

Does he drink water or anything else?  As long as he is eating well, I would not worry about it.  Some lo's only want to drink milk and not eat.  This can actual be bad because of the lack of iron they need from foods.

Melanie:  I did not know that about the rice protein.  I just bought some today for Tyler, so I will start very slowly.


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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2008, 19:29:56 pm »
Well, I may be too late, but our baby boy (not so baby anymore  :'() has a wicked milk allergy.  Both the allergist and the ped. recommended soy products.  Allergist said soy milk was fine.  Ped. said that it does not have enough of the brain boosting fat and that I should switch to Enfamil Next Step Soy Formula and mix it with water.  I have been doing some formula and mixing it with soy milk just to be difficult.   :P
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2008, 23:57:51 pm »
About coconut milk, I remember now, I was able to find coconut milk with 13g of fat per serving, while most had 8g of fat, so I only did 1 oz of it.

Wendy - Yeah, I noticed my son would be real cranky, after awhile he started refusing the bottle.  I did research and adults take the stuff for building muscle and vegans take it too.  Anyway they all recommend doing it slowly as some of them admitted to having bad stomach pains for 2 weeks, and then the body would get use to it.  So I started it slowly and it worked.

Kate - I know some mothers in this situation would add Omega 3 or 6 oil right into the milk to get those healthy brain boosting fats.  Just an idea.
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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2008, 02:24:06 am »
Wow, yeah he drinks lots of water and eats really well.  He has yogurt and cheese daily.  I still bf in the evening to top it all off literally. 

thanks again.

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2008, 16:08:41 pm »
so are they saying it is bad for all ages of kids or babies(under 1) mine are 2 &4.

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2008, 16:21:06 pm »
Soy milk is not a good option for babies who are allergic or intolerant to dairy. And it has no advantages over dairy formula either, in fact, it is an ever bigger allergen than dairy is.

However, if your baby is NOT allergic to dairy and you feed it due to ideological reasons, it's not particularly harmful either. Not recommended here and you can't buy it (allergic babies get Nutramigen, older children rice milk and supplements) though.

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Re: Is soy milk a good option?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2008, 21:25:22 pm »
I guess I am a bit confused, when you say soy milk are you meaning soy formula? I know soy milk is not to be used in place of formula for babies. But after 1 you can switch to cows milk. Why do you say soy milk is not a good option for ( are you saying babies under 1 or toddlers over 1)? My first was allergic to cows milk and anything made with the slightest bit of it, so my ped. had us use soy milk( it happened when we switched from breast to milk at 1 so she wasn't ever on formula. She is no longer allergis but doesn't like the taste of cows milk so instead of having 3 differant kinds of milk in the fridge we oppted to give both dds soy since reg. cows milk has added hormones, then I saw this thread and it started to worry me that soy was just as bad, but I am not sure if you are talking soy replacing milk or soy formula replacing reg. formula.