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Offline ChristinaDebo

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newbie with questions
« on: November 02, 2008, 14:44:47 pm »
Hi everyone,
I am new to Baby Whisperer and its my first post. I started my spirited DS (14 mo.) on the program 6 days ago as my AP had made him scream without the constant rocking to get to sleep. Then, to make matters worse, in my ignorance I believed allowing him to CIO would get him to independence. But after inconsistent tries with that, when he woke during the night, we wouldn't let me put him back in his crib. Before CIO, I could effectively lay him down when really sleepy and he would roll over and go to sleep. But i made things worse and now he doesn't trust me, and he has major SA.

So, following book advice, I have been gaining trust back. I have even gotten in his crib (I am luckily very little) to help him lay down and I climb out after he falls asleep. That has helped as he no longer screams when I put him in the crib, and I can start PU/PD -though it still takes up to an hour to get him to sleep. I also have been sleeping in his room on the floor at night as he still wakes up at least twice a night. I can tell him lay down and put me hand on his back and he will fall back asleep.
Here is his EASY schedule that he is starting to adhere to;

7am wake and bottle of milk
730am breakfast
8am activity
915am wind down in bedroom with bottle
930am sleep (up until yesterday, I got into the crib with him)
11am wake
1115am snack
1130 am activity
1pm lunch
2pm wind down in room
230pm sleep
4pm wake
415pm snack/activity
530pm dinner
630pm bath
7pm wind down with bottle - I have tried to get him to sleep at 7pm, but like last night, he figits and babbles for an hour, making it 8pm
 sleep time.

So things are progressing, but I have some questions.
 1. I put him on 2 naps because before this schedule, a loosely had him on 1 nap and he was cranky and tired every evening at dinner time. he is happier now, but won't fall asleep easily at night, but he rubs his eyes and yawns at 630pm. Wondering if I am missing something?
2. He wakes up early - 6ish and I have to do PU/PD - will he eventually sleep until 7?
3. How do I deal with the time change today? We got up at 6am, which was previously 7am.
4. Since he won't fall asleep until 8pm, do you think he just needs less sleep or will he eventually 'get it'? We are literally in a dark room with white noise for an hour before he falls asleep.

Today I will not be lying in the crib with him at all, and I know he will fight me and cry A LOT  >:( with just PU/PD initially, so I am bracing myself and I am sooooo tired already. I have a stool next to the crib that I used yesterday when he woke up. With spirited LO, how long does this process usually take? I really need to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I feel like this takes up all my energy right now so I need some encouragement. My DH is helpful - but i need some "Ive been there" encouragement!

Thank you! Christina
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Re: newbie with questions
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 10:34:47 am »
Hi Christina and welcome to BW  :-*.  Moving this post to Sleeping for Toddlers for you.

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Re: newbie with questions
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 15:03:10 pm »
Welcome to BW! And Bravo for reading the book and getting started on a great plan.  I think you're doing wonderful incorporating the BW system into your routine!

OK, well first at this age we do WI/WO (walk in/walk out) rather than PU/PD.  I think we stop PU/PD around 8-9 months (but don't quote me on that!).  I do know for sure that we switch after a year, so you'll want to read up on WI/WO.  Essentially it just means you go in, calm (while they're in the crib, don't pick them up or out) and then walk out again.  You go in everytime they cry.  I think there may also be a timing thing too, where you wait a few seconds before going in, but this isn't a technique I've used so please check the WI/WO board to see.

However, we often recommend an alternative technique called "Gradual Withdrawal" in certain cases.  This would be one of those cases! When trust has been broken, as you recognize, we need to let our child gradually get used to us leaving them to fall asleep independently.  You've had an awesome start -- getting in the crib.  And you're doing great recognizing that now it's time to be out of the crib! But instead of doing PU/PD, what I would do is get a chair and sit by his crib until he falls asleep.  You can put your hand on him if you want, whatever makes him comfortable.  If you *do* put your hand on him, the next step would be by the crib with no touching/interacting.  If you *don't* put your hand on him, next step would be to put your chair a little farther from the crib, closer to the door.  We're going to move you slowly until your chair is outside of the room, but door is still open, and then finally out of the room with door closed (partway or all the way, whatever your family is comfortable with).  The length of time at each step depends on you.  I like to recommend 3 days at each step.  I find with just about every aspect of sleep training, 3 days is what it takes for a child to adjust.  I know this sounds like a looooong committment, but girl you're going to be so happy when you're done! You're going to have a child who's happy in his room again, and can just be put to bed and then leave.

Of course, once you are *out* of the room (using GW), then you will use WI/WO if he still continues to cry when you leave.  But I have a feeling that won't be an issue.  We'll just have to wait and see!

Now, for the sleep routine.  You did an excellent job bringing him back to 2 naps.  I think that's probably a good idea for right now.  At his age, though, we're going to slowly shorten that AM nap and bring it forward until we can get him on 1 nap.  Average age for being on 1 nap is 15-16 months, so that isn't too far away.  I'd leave him on the 2 right now because he seems to be doing good on it! And, what I think is happening at bedtime is you're missing his sleep window by about 30 minutes, which is why you see sleepy signs at 6:30, and then he has a hard time winding down.  As you've read in BW, and OT (overtired) bub gets wound up and has a hard time falling asleep AND staying sleep.  It also explains your 6 am wakings -- that's 10 hours of sleep, when he falls asleep at 8 pm.  10 hours is almost ALWAYS a sign of being OT.

So, I'd change your nighttime routine by 30 minutes, you'll want him IN BED no later than 6:30 (and I'd actually err on the side of earlier, since he's rubbing eyes by then).  When a toddler shows sleepy signs, it almost always means you're IN the sleep window, and almost out of it! Babies give you some warning as they're entering the sleep window.  Toddlers give you warnings as they're exiting sleep window, if at all.  I know it's scary to put him down earlier since you're having such early wakings, but believe me, your chances are better of having a sleep in if you put him earlier than later! Besides, I think after a few more days of a routine like this, he may be ready to push that bedtime back out again.  He's just tired from all the bedtime struggles you guys have been having.

WTG! Let me know how you get on, and please feel free to ask any questions! So glad you found us! We'll be getting both you and little guy sleep in no time!  :)
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Re: newbie with questions
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 17:40:36 pm »
Thanks for your advice! We had issues yesterday with the time change and I guess I missed his sleep window for the pm nap, and he refused to go down, fussing /crying for over 40 minutes. So He went down at 615pm last night but woke a few times during the night and at 530am, though i got him to go back to sleep until 7am by staying in the room on my mat again. Also, he is cutting his top teeth, so this might be the reason for wake-ups too?

But, since he has been waking during the night for quite a while, I assume it is OT and I didn't know that i should be putting him down earlier....

he went down for his am nap on time at 920ish am and sleeps well in the morning until 11. Its pm nap that is harder for him to wind down. Any suggestions?
 
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Re: newbie with questions
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 22:21:08 pm »
If he's having trouble with that PM nap, it may be time to start shortening AM nap.  Same thing happened to my bub around this age, and to lots of kids.  Essentially, they enjoy their day sleep so are sleeping long, but they aren't quite tired enough by PM nap because AM nap was so long.

There's 2 options here.  WE can shorten AM nap to an hour, or we can move PM nap a little later (by 30 minutes let's say).  Let's try moving PM nap first because he's needing an early bedtime already due to being OT.  If that doesn't work, then we'll need to shorten AM nap to 1 hour max.  You'll have to wake him. But let's hold off and try moving PM nap first since we're fighting the OT monster.


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