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Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« on: December 02, 2008, 09:29:36 am »
Hi Ladies, Big thanks for all your help with Kurt. The gaviscon is already making a big difference and he is nursing so much better, he only woke twice during the night which is an excellent improvement, though now I think that I may have a supply problem due to all the supplements I have given him over the past 2 weeks. I ended up supplementing him again yesterday evening as I had nursed him for an hour and he was still hungry, in fact he was so hungry he drank almost 6oz of formula (the most I have ever seen him drink). I know the only way I can increase my supply now is by nursing him but I don't want to starve him either. Should I be cutting out the bottles bit by bit rather than just trying to stop them all together?

Another quick question for those of you who breastfeed and use E.A.S.Y. - Now that Kurts feeding is starting to settle down a little I am trying to use E.A.S.Y again. But for us it seems to go E.A.E.S.Y. He really wont settle without the second E and I was wondering if this is common for breastfed babies as he prefers to settle on my boob, I am not sure if it is hunger related or if he is using me for comfort to fall asleep. I have tried him with different types of dummies but he wont take one, I have also tried walking, rocking, ssshh, leaving him to settle himself but so far only the boob is working.

(Sorry not sure if I should be asking that question in here either)

Thanks again

Gemma

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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 12:35:24 pm »
As for boosting your supply, this is copied from another thread:

"http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=65905.0"

If you are sure that you do have a supply issue, there's lots you can do.

Firstly it's important that you don't supplement - breast feeding works by supply and demand and if you reduce the demand by supplementing, you'll in turn further damage the supply.

"The best way to increase your supply is to nurse.  Your lo is the most efficient tool to stimulate your milk supply so nurse as often and for as long as lo will allow.  Swithc nursing is beneficial - basically you start on side one until lo comes off on her own.  Then you offer side two.  When she's done with that side, you offer her side one again and so on and so forth.  You can do this as often as your lo will continue.  This will produce a further let down and send those all important milk making messages to your brain.

Skin to skin contact is great.  It makes your body produce oxytocin - one of the primary milk making hormones.  Take a nice long bath with lo, strip off and snuggle in bed or naked play if your house is warm enough.

There are herbal supplements you can take - fenugreek, blessed thistle (also known as holy thistle), and Mother's Milk Tea.

Oatmeal is something you can eat that helps.

Wheat beer or wheat yeast.

Make sure you are drinking plenty of water, eating enough (of the right foods too - protein, fruit and veg, healthy fats etc), and getting plenty of rest.

Pumping after the feeds you are most struggling with for at least five minutes - even if you don't see any milk, this will be sending those all important signals."

If you really do need to supplement, it's really worth looking into an SNS (supplemental nursing system).  If you google it, it'll give you a much better description and also point you in the right direction as to where to buy one.  Basically it's a tube that you insert into the corner of your lo's mouth once he has emptied the breast.  The tube connects to a container with formula or EBM in.  It's superior to supplementing with a bottle as it stimulates your own supply, and doesn't lead to bottle confusion/flow frustration.  I highly recommend investing in one of these should you really need to supplement as bottles really do confuse many babies and have been responsible for ending many nursing relationships.

As for the EAES, this isn't recommended because it doesn't teach independent sleep.  I recommend you pop over to the Sleep board for advice on how to get your lo to sleep independently :)

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=24.0

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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 16:21:02 pm »
Jo gave great advice.  I just wanted to add that a baby will almost always take more than they need from a bottle.  It's easy for them; milk/formula just drips in their mouths.  So most likely he wasn't 6 oz hungry.  :-* 
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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 23:16:34 pm »
tonight he isn't feeding well, I think I may have ruined my chance of breastfeeding now by supplementing him. I can't fill him with my breast and tonight he is thrashing his head side to side with my nipple in his mouth and making noises which sounds to me like he is getting frustrated, tried expressing with my pump not a drop spend over an hour hand expressing and got just shy of an ounce. Am I starving him? Is it the end of the road for us breastfeeding I dont want it to be, feel such a failure now :(

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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 00:45:18 am »
The only way I made it thru nursing with Josie and her dreadful latch was to nurse during the day but use EBM and formula mixed for bedtime and formula at night wakings for a while till I finished healing. Since J had short naps, Tracy recommended "snack feeds" at naptime which increased my supply a LOT.

If you can get your hands on an electric pump, they are worth their weight in gold. Seriously. I was fortunate to have a friend from my church at the time who was done with hers and it save my nursing with both kids. With that, along with fenugreek tea (hate the taste, love the extra milk) and extra water to drink, I was able to get back on track within maybe 3-4 days tops.

That said, my second decided at 8 months that I was too slow for her; apparently a 5-minute feed wasn't fast enough, so I had to drive 40 minutes to pick up that same pump I'd passed on to a friend of mine b/c of the engorgement!

Hang in there; it's not necessarily done yet!!!!

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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 04:37:27 am »
{{hugs}} hun.  I'm sorry he's not feed well for you tonight.  :(

A few things come to mind reading your last post.  First, pumping/expressing is NOT an indicator of your supply.  Some women with a fine (or even over-) supply can hardly pump a drop.  There are things that happen (chemically/hormonally) between mom/baby that are simply impossible between mom/pump.  Pumping only tells you how well you respond to a pump, not about your supply.  (If feeding baby while stressed is hard, pumping while stressed was worse, at least for me.)

Also, isn't he about 2 months?  There's usually a heck of a growth spurt around that time, & wanting to nurse/lots of hunger is his way of getting your supply up to what he needs.  There is often frustration on the baby's part at the beginning of a growth spurt because your supply hasn't caught up to the new demand.

I'm sorry I don't remember more background, so forgive me if you've posted this elsewhere.  Is he gaining OK (staying on about the same percentile line, no matter what that line is)?  Is he having wet diapers?  I know he's frustrated now, but the other "is my supply OK?" question is: Is he satisfied after feeds?  What happens if you don't supplement?

No matter what, you are NOT a failure, hun. 
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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 08:02:07 am »
Seriously honey, if you've got any milk at all, hope is not lost!  There's loads of tips above as to how to increase your supply and they really, really work have faith honey :-*

Check out the SNS - it really is worth the investment - this will re-teach your lo that milk comes from your breast and nowhere else.  It'll also help your supply - you'll be able to gradually reduce the amount you are supplementing with.

You are NOT a failure!!!!  Even if you end up using formula, it's not the end of the world and Kurt will be just fine.  But, like I've said, as you've got some milk, there's plenty of ways to tell your body that you need to make more.  Hugs honey :-*

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Re: Update on Kurt and another question if thats OK?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 09:35:59 am »
{{{{{hugs}}}}}
Just wanted to add, I wouldn't worry about EASY so much until you've got the bfing sorted out. At the moment, bfing more often is going to help boost your supply, you can worry about doing EASY 'properly' later.
Good luck.
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