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Old timer needs sleep input :(
« on: December 08, 2008, 09:55:24 am »
Hello all,

Some of you may remember me as i used to be a regular around here! I have a 10 (nearly 11) month old boy who i need some advice/ input with. It is a wee bit embarrassing as i work as a doula and postnatal sleep/ routine consultant and use the BW techniques all day, but i have just lost my way here a bit.

Unlike with my first 2 children Rory has never really had a schedule. We have always just read his cues and put him down to sleep when he is tired. When he was younger we followed EASY, but now he is on solids this is not the case. He isn't a great napper, but until recently he could be relied upon to sleep for the majority of the night with early wakings the only problem. He has a dummy, but can find it and re-plug easily.

He has started to wake in the night. Or rather in the evening and throughout the night. I have been using Pu/Pd with ZERO success. I did it consistently for about a week (every nap and night waking) and he did not fall asleep once. I give up on naps and he falls asleep in the car or pushchair, and overnight i do it for so long it becomes the morning and we get up. I quite literally Pu/Pd'ed for 6 hours straight one night with no sleep for either of us.

He eats well and has a varied diet, but is not a big milk drinker maybe taking only 10 oz per day. We have also just been through an illness and so this has sent him even further away from sleeping well, he is better now so i feel able to move on with sleep training. I think he has separation anxiety - although he doesn't display it during the day and is a happy confident boy. The reason i think this is that some nights if i sit within his eye sight he will settle, but if i get up and leave he will scream. The other problem is that my partner has health issues and NEEDS to sleep well. She is now really struggling with his sleep patterns and so it is paramount we get it sorted asap.

I think the final straw for me was that he spent 2 nights with his dad at the weekend and slept from 7pm-7am both nights and then came back yesterday and was up ALL NIGHT (not kidding either). I am just worn out with it :(

Very loosly this is an average day:
6am - up and milk (4-5oz max)
9.30am - nap for anything from 10 mins to 2 hours!
12pm - lunch
1pm - nap (again for random amounts of time)
5pm - dinner
6.45pm - milk and bed
Wakings intermittently throughout the evening and night.

In my mind the main issues are lack of day time sleep and maybe not enough milk(?).

Help please!!!
Clair - Proud Lesbian Mama to:

*Ruby - spirited angel
*Red - touchy angel
*Rory - all-round angel
*Raphael - blessed with another angel??


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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 10:08:29 am »
HI Clair,

when you said how old he is, i was reminded of the old wonky sleep patterns at around 10 months problem. I liken it to a wonky phase before they start to get into one nap.  What i did was start to limit the first nap. someone explained that even though it was at 9am, it kind of takes from the night sleep.   9.30 am might be a little late if he has had broken sleep or up early - i would guess that that's when he does the 10min nap due to OT.

the other thing is depending on how long he sleeps for the pm nap, he could be OT by the time he goes to bed, esp if he's had a broken night and ew the night before, so you may need to get him to bed earlier on those days.

I know you are going by his cues, but i found at this stage i had to go back to the clock somewhat until i got the right balance.

i hope that helps you some, or at least gives you some food for thought :)
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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 10:20:17 am »
Clair!!!!!  So glad to see you around again :-*

Definitely sounds like OT to me.  The fussiness during the night coupled with short naps AND EWs really does all suggest OT.  You need to break the cycle before any sleep training works.  Is there anything that reliably gets him to sleep (even AP style things)? 

Are you offering milk at any other time of day?  As far as I remember, they should be getting a minimum of 18oz per day until 12 months so it may be worth trying to get some more into him (I'm guessing that's not as easy as it sounds though huh?).  Have you tried giving him it out of a sippy cup? 

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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 20:39:36 pm »
Hi there,

I agree with Aleesa in that this sounds like a similar phase to what my ds went through before his nap switch. Not to say rory is ready for 1 nap but that maybe it's time to really start tweaking his naps to keep him on 2 aslong as possible.  When he takes really short morning naps, what happens? Are you able to leave him in his cot for a little while and see if he can get himself back to sleep, or is he really yelling for you at that point?

If you are suspecting SA I wonder if it is a good idea for you to try WI/WO or GW for the NWs rather than PU/PD. Have you considered either?  I did wi/wo successfully at about 11 mo for SA related NWs and in fact I am doing the same thing now at 23 months for the same reason. He cries, I go in and hug him (he stands in bed waiting for me) without picking him up, then say it's sleepy time, put him down and rub his back a little, replay his sleep music andsay good night again. When he was 11mo I did the same thing exceptI did usually pick him up briefly and say "one more snuggle with mama and then sleepy time".

Hugs to both you and your partner,I hope the nws are sorted soon for both of your sakes. xxx
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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 21:56:52 pm »
No advice. Just wanted to welcome you back! BIG hug!!!!  :-* :-* :-*
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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 22:02:07 pm »
Sorry, I have not got a clue about this as I have yet to get there BUT I did want to say HELLO!!!
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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 22:10:50 pm »
No advice either hun, but wanted to say hi!

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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 01:46:54 am »
Wi/wo came to my mind too. 
But mostly I wanted to say hi!!!  Miss you around these parts!!!!
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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 02:23:07 am »
Also joining the ranks of "I have no advice but am soooooo pleased to see you here!"  Sending lots of love and sleepy vibes to Rory.  And all the best to Yas, hope she gets the rest she needs as well. 

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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 02:41:03 am »
Hey Clair!

there are a few of us who needed help at this age. I agree with pp re rather doing WI/WO. we had much more success with Henry at this age. PU/PD, or rather mostly PD was a wash, as he just got more revved up and I am sure saw it more like a game than anything else.

Also agree with the get some sleep into him at all cost during the day, as that will help the nights.

HUGS and good luck!!! Also all the best with your partner getting her sleep in!!

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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 02:44:16 am »
You've gotten great advice here so I wanted to say HELLO and HUG you and say I've been thinking about you!
      

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Re: Old timer needs sleep input :(
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2008, 09:32:33 am »
Hiya Clair.  Good to see you.

As he is in your room, could you move the cot as far from your bed as possible so that he doesn't get too attatched to you being near and when he cries still try a WIWO situation but more of a WUWA(Walk Up, Walk Away)  So, go to him when he needs you, reassure him, then go back to bed.  This could be difficult because of your partner's sleep requirements, but could she perhaps hop in with Ruby until you sort this problem out, just for the time being.

Good luck, lack of sleep is torture I know, but things will improve.